Hi Guys

[Quick Intro seeing as how its my first post]
Somehow years ago I stumbled upon the FSG site. Read it from time to time and it seem to make sense. Then I saw the programme on C4 with Juggler and Johnny Saviour in. So Googled them. Then bought "The Game" and decided to look at this in more depth.
[Boring bit over]

Over the last month or so Ive been looking at maybe doing a Bootcamp in London. Obviously theres several groups. School of Seduction (now Dating School or something). James de Marcos Dark Side and PUATraining_com

Ive emailed one of these companies for more info but they havent replied to me yet. And that makes me nervous about commiting several hundred pounds.

Has anybody on here taken a bootcamp in London? (Particularly the 3 groups above) And would you recommend it to a newbie? Or conversely are they are a complete waste of a weekend. Any info appreciated

Cheers for reading.

im afraid i have nothing new to add to what you asked however i am also interested in a workshop wherever it may be (usually london) and wouldnt mind doing it with you if you were interested. it would probably lessen the load of anxiety and nervousness if there were two people there that knew each other beforehand that could wing one another. if your interested in doubling up for one of these workshops post a reply with more details concerning the workshops and i will get back to you.

cheers. gonzocharlie

I emailed PUATraining not so long ago and the guy took about 2 or 3 days to get back to me. But that was because it's still the main PUA guy who answers the emails himself - he doesn't have a 'team' or anything of people dealing with it.

They seem pretty good from what I can make out, although the details on their site are pretty scarce. I'm also not sure how they can do the approach course (which is 6 hours) for just £99 - considering the approach is so wide and covers a lot of areas. I asked about the 1 week residential (which seems pretty good) and the main PUA guy asked for my mobile number so we could discuss it over the phone.

If you decide to go to one, please update me as I'm also looking.

sounds very interesting! if i were to do a one day intensive like you mentioned it would be a step in the right direction. this is what i am primarliy interested in. im thinking about it quite seriously! if you come to a decision to do one let me know and ill see if i cant come the same day, that way we can meet up prior to the activities and make sure we get the most out of it. thanks for the reply, i look forwad to what you have to say in the meantime.

cheers, gonzocharlie

p.s £99 is what i spend on an average friday night anyway - i consider this to be very good value!

what exactly does it involve? im guessing game in pubs, bars and clubs. please do fill me in on all the details!!

I'd be well up for joining you guys if you're going to book something... Keep me posted with any details!!

hi everyone, I'm new to this whole PUA thing and keen to see some masters in action and learrn the skills involved. I'm also in London so interested to hear about any experience anyone has with these workshops, and possibly attending one soon so also please keep me posted

R.R, Vital eyes, Steve, System Shock we could definitely do something here.

R.R if you could send me a link to the website that you found the bootcamp on that would be great.

Steve and System Shock if you could convene dates that you are both free and how much your willing to pay for a bootcamp that would also be great.

I hear that it is £99 for a day and night, which is quite good value.


i look forwad to all of your replies.


gonzocharlie

I'm also in London guys and this sounds like good value. Please post the link.

- Angelus

Hi Guys.

Well I decided to just go for it and booked a place on last weekend (17-18th February 2007) Bootcamp with PUATraining_com .So sorry to the guys who wanted to go in a group together I daresay what follows will be a little dis-jointed but hopefully you'll get the gist.

(In one word)

AWESOME!

(In a few more!)

I'm still buzzing from the weekend now! I don't really know where to start on this without getting into SPAM specific details about course content. But believe me (as much as you can from an annonymous internet handle ) when I say I learned a ton of stuff. And more importantly gained an enormous amount of confidence.

It was really well located. In a private booth in very nice Bar/Restaurant within walking distance of Trafalgar Square. It made it feel more natural, I can imagine if you take one of these camps in a office/seminar type way as soon as you get out there it feels unnatural. But this was great because we can eat and drink as we were learning. So much more relaxed.

Ratio wise. There were 8 Students to anywhere between 3 and 6 MPUAs so the ratios were great. The other students were aged between their earlier 20s and their late 40s. And through talking to them I feel everyone got something very positive from the camp. The age differences were really nothing. I'd like to think we all got to know each other well. Despite coming from all over the country/world! and having widely differing professions.

On Saturday afternoon / evening I opened more sets than I have in my life to this point. (Im in my late 20s!) At first I was so paralysed by my AA that I kept bottling it. But with the expert MPUA's behind me encouraging or leading or showing or even just feeding lines I got into the habit of it. I didnt get 1 "Fuck off" (though I got a few quizical silences from the day work) And in the club every set I opened at least entered into a conversation. Even if they werent particularly interested. Don't get me wrong I still have that moment of fear. And Im not some kind of PUA yet. But after this weekend it will never be anywhere near as bad. And obviously I managed to keep this going through Sunday as well. Didnt get a number/kiss close but that because I wanted to take it slowly due to my prior experience. Other guys managed email/number closes though so I dont want to say it wont happen! (EDIT: Ive just found out 1 guy F closed on the Sunday. So well dont to him! ) Also I felt so much more comfortable with Kino. Im not a touchy feely person by nature. But its really great when you get it right.

MPUA's
We were very lucky to have not only Gambler, but also Beckster, Jabba, Reflex, Cardenas and last but not least Shaker.

The great thing is they all have their own style, so if you feel one doesnt maybe click for you. Then there are others to try. Crucially though they all complimented each other. So it wasnt a case of "mines better than his" They all genuinely appear to be mates too, which helped make the whole thing enjoyable.

The one great thing that I haven't seen anybody else advertise is "Beautiful female helpers" And the site is dead right. You won't approach anybody as pretty as these 4 girls on your camp. I have to say I struggled a little with this. I came across as nervous. (I've never approached any girl who could be model before!) The girls tried to get me through it. But it wasnt going well. However they were honest and helpful with their feedback comments. Having said that afterwards when we went to the club they were brilliant and I felt more comfortable talking with them.

The whole training team came for the nights. And were 100% focussed on helping us at any time. I remember asking Beckster about how to deal with the language barrier (My wing and I had opened a Lithuinanian 2set who spoke very little English) and he was straight away in with his 1to1 advice. Nothing was too much trouble for ANY of them. You might think they would get a little tired of doing the same thing over and over but if they were they didnt show 1 iota of it!

Now I have NEVER had a female wing before (with a specially concocted story about how despite being different nationalities she was actually my sister!! ) and it was great. Sets are naturally more receptive when theres another girl there. And whilst the whole sister story was pure BS, sets actually believe it.

On sunday evennig it felt right in some way that the last 3set I tried before I left the club was a case of just walking past. Seeing an opener and going in. The 3 second rule actually done! I think I maybe bailed too early but I had a Tube/Train/Bus journey to get home and I knew time was getting on.

All in all, I would recommend the company to ANYBODY whose looking to raise themselves up. Sure its not as cheap as other schools. But I dont feel as if Ive been overcharged or not got my moneys worth out of it. Hell, on the Saturday night bus I was thinking about how if Sunday had turned out crap I still would of been happy with the costs involved.

For 450 quid or so, I got 23 hours of the best training I've EVER had. And Im sure many people have been on shite courses for their job or whatever and know how uninspiring the trainers can make those events.

I would make a suggestion that if you are not very local to Central London then maybe its best to book a hotel for Saturday night. My commute whilst not terrible (1 and a half hours when its early morning) was something I could of done without. But thats my fault and nothing to do with PUA Training.

I know this sounds like an advert, what with me having so few posts on here, and I guess in a way it is. But Im not getting anything from this thread. Only doing it to help others see that IN MY EXPERIENCE I thought it was great!

There is however 1 proviso. to all this! I would say be realistic with your expectations. Dont expect to come away from ANY bootcamp (PUA or otherwise) a master. Thats not the point. They idea is to get a mind set and take it back to your local clubs/pubs/shops and continue learning. (to quote one of the trainers) Doing a 23 bootcamp over a weekend is 1000 times better than watching hundreds of hours of "Mystery method" or "Keys to the VIP" on Youtube.

Rich
(RR)

p.s. Any questions you have fire away

I've just been looking up whats available and I think the £99 course in question is from www.puatraining.com. If so it is 6 hours long and focuses on confidence and approach, with the course all being played out in the field. If you guys are interested as well I'd suggest the course on Friday 9th March? RR, I'd be interested in hearing more about what material you actually covered on the course and how you practiced it, ie did you practice everything in the classroom then go out and try it in the field after you'd gotten the hang of it?

R.R - cheers a bunch for that mate. It was the kind of thing I was looking for. Now, here's some questions:

I'm 18 and look pretty young (could pass as 16), do you think this could be a problem? (don't feed me some 'inside that counts' bs because I can wait a few years if it is I guess).

Have you tested your newly tuned skills yet? Do you have a boost of confidence or do you feel it's starting to wear off?

Although I like the idea of female trainers, I don't really see much long term benefit in having them as a wing, this goes for the male PUA wings too. I think it would act as a short term bonus rather than really improve my skills through hard grafting - did you find this to be true?

Would you do another course anytime soon? Did you drink much alcohol or was it advised not to?

Thanks again mate!

Ok, I dont want to be too specific as thats not really my place to give away things that you should pay for. I hope you can understand

Saturday
Started out with Body language. / Kino
Moved through openers / Routines
Day Game (Outside)
Comfort building/Rapport
Female Helper sessions. First "opening" them, then engaging a 4set. Then a 1-to-1 with them in a (relatively) private booth. {This was the hardest part for me}
Club game

Sunday
Routines
State control (Mindset)
Escalation skills.
Special guests (Reflex and Cardenas )
Day game (that was very funny actually!)
NLP
Club Game again

I wouldn't say I "got the hang of it" before doing it in a real life situation. If we took that avenue Id still be sat there now. You have to get a solid grounding then just go for it! You WILL make mistakes. But its the best way to learn. And I have NO issues what so ever with PUATraining going with this style. We practised on each other first. Bearing in mind we'd only just met moments earlier it was a little strange at first. But its all about conquering your fears of the unknown.

If you are a novice to this. Then Yes a 6 hour course may be OK for you. I was worried on the train in the morning that 23 hours was going to drag on and on. However it never dragged. And although its a lot to take in over the 2 days. I would say its better to do the full on course instead of doing 6 hours here. Then a full day a few weeks later and so on. Its about gaining momentum. I feel if there'd been a week or even a months gap. I would of stalled a bit.
Age, well the only time I think it might be an issue is with the Club game. The club we went to has a clientelle ranging from probably 21 upwards. However, we were on the guest list so there was no issue with entry. And as long as you dress appropriately its unlikely to be an issue. In fact wear the right clothes, do you hair right and keep your face hair sensible looking and you'll pass for older. But thats for another thread on fashion/style tips advice.

Boost of confidence. Absolutely I spent most of Monday with a silly happy look on my face. (think of the feeling you had when you lost your virginity and you felt like Superman. ) And even my crappy job didnt demoralise me too much. I got into the habit of forcing IOI's with loads of girls at lunchtime too. Not many takers but I really dont care. I looked at a set of girls and thought I could go and open them. Not the previous mindset where I'll just oggle them and keep walking. Its such a turnaround.

The girls who helped were great. Their advice really is invaluable and it is a little like tightrope walking with a safety net. The best example I can recall is with regards to Kino. One student did it a little too "hard" and the girls said. "We werent sure about that, prefer it to be much softer" Now if you were on a camp and it was only a group of men. You may not actually pick up on the little detail. So when you go out into the field and try it it might make the whole thing awkward. I guess the idea is to make you more confident and its something that is very unique amongst the schools at this stage.

What I would add is that in terms of Social Proofing its ideal. This was a group of around 15 guys and no club in England will be happy letting you in like that. But add 4 or 5 girls and its much easier. As one student said to me. Its to make us look normal. Its to relax other sets in the area. "These guys arent all nutters on a booze up"

Sure, there are some people that could become dependent on having the MPUAs or Girls as wings and not really develop there own technique. But most of my approaches had another student as a wing. (or vice versa) And the trainers let us go and do our own thing. Leaving any feedback until after you'd finished (In "The Game" Strauss talks about Mystery stepping in to give advice mid-set which I think is very wrong/rude!) One guy was clearly the most nervous and I saw Gambler numerous times in 1-to-1's with him. And I admire that. It would be easy for them to try and shuffle the guy around to avoid the problem but they all had non threatening (and crucially non patronising) manners. They genuinely want us to do well.

Or course nothing beats experience in these things. But if you can start right then it will gain momentum. Im out this weekend (pay day!)and Im EXPECTING to open a few sets. And improve my escalation skills. Whereas before I would be AFC totally.

I would say that personally I wont be doing another course for a while. I want to try it on my own for a while. If I feel Im flagging a bit. Then maybe. And all the trainers Ive met run 1 on 1 sessions. And I would very defiently use them over another school. The other advantage is you understand their styles. Where as if you went to another school you may end up with conflicting advice.

The flip side to that is I dont want to be reliant on the camps. If you can afford it you can probably do one every weekend for several months. As I say, the idea is to give you an understanding. And the skills to go and improve.

Alcohol. Its funny. We were told at the outset we could drink if we want. In a past average night out I might drink around 8-10 say. And not touch water. I probably had 3 beers in the club on Saturday and 2 on Sunday. Mainly I was drinking water though. Without being 100% certain I would say the other students were on very similar drinks. The trainers drank mostly water too. I felt it just took the edge off my nerves. Which I needed at that pointAs it says on the website. Gambler spends very little on drinks and virtually no alcohol. Lots of AFC guys need the dutch courage thing and it probably works against you ultimately. Its another example of state control. And its easy to see why its better to be sober than mildly/very drunk.

Regards
RR
(Rich)

Just as a little postscript. Theres a small video interview of Gambler at >>Video Jug<<

This course was quite okay at the end of the day as it definitely enabled me to reduce my anxiety which was crippling before. I wouldn't say it's a 6 hour course, as it's basically 1-2 hours seminar plus the rest of the night in the field, with some advice from one of the helpers to either approach with a line, or wing a coursemate.

Doing 6 years worth of stuff in 6 hours is bullshit of course, and this thing will take time to master. At the end of the day, you could probably save yourself some money by just betting a friend to "dare" you/ push you into talking to particular sets. Just don't even worry about the outcome and be happy you even approached!

Not really, seeing the pro guys in action is worth every penny. Some things cant be described on paper, you really need to attend the course and see these guys in action. Alex Coulson and Alex Nova from Australia are excellent. In US its Mystery and Style... in Europe its Hoobie!

Hey, don't feel bad! I sent Gambler a email message he told me to make it sweet and simple and to get to the point, also that the email was massive. I wrote him a few later on making it to the point and no reply. I'm getting rather pissed off because I love his book The Natural Art of Seduction: Success with women.

Either his email is full or he's just putting me on the low priority list. I just can't get through to him! He's a GOD to me but com'on I know your busy doing BOOTCAMPS and gaming so I don't really expect him to respond that quickly. How do I get him to respond?

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