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I must be doing this wrong.

Does anyone out there have good success with a wing man or multiple wings?

My wing man is turning into an unintentional cock block. I need advice on how to properly use a wing man, and I need to help him learn his role.

Previously I'd only gone out by myself, but I'm a firm believer in trying everything to find out what works. I'm new to day game. I've had alot of success with night game. I want to be good anytime anywhere.

I recently started training a couple of friends so they could be wings, because I wanted to try out going with a group, but all of my friends suck with women, and in fact gave me advice back in the day that was really bad. They started to see my success, and wanted to learn my secrets.

One of my friends that I'm teaching (who's the guy I'm going out with the most) is a Chrisitan, so he only does day game. He's not trying to get laid. He's just trying to get dates. He has gotten so good using Mystery Method and Double Your Dating techniques that recently he's been doing better than me.

The problem is his success is random. He used to be a natural (lost his game in college), so I think it comes easier to him to go direct while I tend to go indirect and we both get results individually, but it's still just like he's getting "lucky" instead of actually having real success. When he doesn't get "lucky" he totally gets blown out and half the time ends up taking me with him, because he's just not smooth enough yet.

I think another part of the problem is we don't know 100% for sure how to use each other as wings. Typically I try to help him find girls dropping IOIs because he never picks up on it, and then we both work to DHV on each other. One of us takes turn helping the other isolate the target. So one of us is always just talking to the fat friend.

Tonight, he got one number at the mall from a clerk at FYE a HB8 to me (he thinks she's a 10... bull shit). He also approached 8 other targets and got blown out each time.

I was focusing on helping him, so I made less approaches. I made about 4 and a half. I say a half because he really fucked one up for me, so I just walked away and let him go after them, and then they blew him out. The other 4 I turned down. They were all working at the mall, not customers. One had a boyfriend, one was a teenager, one was engaged, and one was what I consider a religious fanatic, and from previous experiences, I don't go near them.

I need advice bad. He's not doing it intentionally. I think we just need to communicate better, and we need to really learn some solid wing game.

Any advice? Besides ditch him and find a new wing. He's too good of a friend for me to just go and ditch like that. I've already got another wing, but he still sucks. If this keeps up I probably am going to end up ditching him though.

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Make him learn he shit before taking him out. And if he tries his hardest and he still fails, hey buddy....that's pickup..

You may get blown out but if he's making a real fucking effort, u can be his best friend long enough to understand he's not at that level and you have to put up with it while working to a better him.

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Make him learn he shit before taking him out. And if he tries his hardest and he still fails, hey buddy....that's pickup..

You may get blown out but if he's making a real fucking effort, u can be his best friend long enough to understand he's not at that level and you have to put up with it while working to a better him.

Cheers

Captain Jack
Yeah, I've been giving him a break... It's been a serious test of patience lol! It just sucks not getting results like I was and then having him see it too.

I guess I just need to go out on my own more. I only really go out once or twice a week to save money cuz of gas prices, and I'm still looking for a new job. He's in the same boat, so he's always with me now when I go out. We don't live in a city, so it's not like you can just walk places.

Anyway, he's doing both field lessons and classroom style stuff. We do a lesson Monday at his place, he calls me through the week with questions. He's got books he's supposed to be reading, and then on the weekend we go out and hit the town.

I gave him a copy of The Game and Double Your Dating, because they helped me the most.

The problem neither book helps much when it comes to learning how to use a wing man. You got any suggestions for some other book I should look into for him and for me? We're doing good on our own. It's just together when shit gets fucked up.

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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 12:31 pm 
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Finally, he's getting it!

He got a number from a HB7 a couple nights ago and called me up ecstatic! He made me proud. This was the first approach he did on his own. She's proably an 8 to him. He's kind of a chubby chaser. But the nice thing was it was a nice church girl, and she confessed to him after giving him her facebook, email, and phone number that she was genuinely interested for a while back. Exactly what he wanted. And that's what the game is all about: getting what you really want.

He's got a pick up name now. He's calling himself The Sauce. It's an old nickname from high school which was kind of an embarrassing/funny story, but it's become a second identity and an ego to him, so it fits when he's getting into frame. He calls having game saucieness... so yeah... gotta love that shit! So today welcome The Sauce to the world of PUA! He's one of us now.

The previous day he had me pissed though. I had to get back at him when we went out sarging.

He'd been bitching about how he hadn't number closed a girl in days, of the two he had closed before neither called back. He started saying my stuff doesn't work and I hadn't got a number once while we were out together. True I hadn't made a number close since I started sarging with him, but he wasn't making it easy.

As I've said before elsewhere, he's bipolar and slightly mentally retarded. It was obvious he was slacking and not reading the material I'd been giving him, or going out on his own. So he was fucking up all over the place and taking me with him.

He was ready to throw in the towel and give up and was questioning if the PUA techniques really work at all. I had to prove him wrong this time and I knew it. It was time to get my game on.

First of all, this time we spent about 45 minutes in my car getting into state and psyching ourselves up before we went in. We discussed rules for who talks to who and what not to do while the other is in a pickup.

We decided on a few rules.

1. We take turns opening sets while the other assists the pickup by distracting the friends
2. We say beforehand who we are going after
3. We do it all as close to non-verbally as possible (he is naturally a really loud person and sounds like he's yelling when he whispers)
4. He who waits masturbates... lol... best rule ever. Basically if one of us fails to go for the kill after a long period of time or (also for us if we fuck up and get blown out badly) the other gets a shot
5. We follow the 3 second rule
6. We split and one acts like he's shopping while the other is opening his target. If the one working the target is failing the wing comes in and saves him
7. On sets of 3 or more we both approach
8. No amoging each other
9. No trying to steal the other's girl while he's operating successfully
10. No negativity or bull shit. Keep it positive

We agreed on one last rule and that was that he'd trust me as the teacher and try to listen and be humble as the student. He tends to have an ego. He's either an egomaniac or depressed. I had to get him balanced, so he could learn.

Some days I have to hype him up, some days I have to bring him down because his energy is like a steam roller. I've seen him go up to sets happy as can be and be so hyped he tires his targets out and they get bored and can't take it, but they can't tell him to fuck off or just walk away, because he's retarded, so it would be rude, but they can't get a word in edgewise.

Thank GOD today was not one of those days, and he's been getting more balanced every time he goes out, so it was good, but before he went in he was really out of state and negative. Once he got inside and started talking to girls his mood changed. He decided he wanted me to open the first set because he wasn't feeling up to it. I knew if I failed it was all over. He'd just give up and say it was all bull shit.

My game was on full power. I opened the first girl I saw. She was in a slightly more upscale hipster style clothing store in the mall called The Buckle. She was a 5' model slim brunette HB9 with curly hair, a nice tan, and way too many bracelets. She was working there. I could tell she was bored. I decided to show her a good time

Me: Hi, I need a woman's advice. I had an ex girlfriend who always used to dress me up, but she's been gone for a while and I have a horrible fashion sense. You look like you have a good sense of style. Wanna help me find a new wardrobe?

Her: Hehehe Okay... come over here... what kind of clothes do you like?

Me: I'm looking for shorts of some kind.

she starts looking through clothes

Me: I like your bracelets

Her: Oh thanks

Me: So what do you have there like 40 of them?

Her: hahah

Me: So this is how you get all the guys to talk to you at the clubs. You put on like a million things of jewelry and just wait for the guys to come to you and ask about it? Yeah, I know all of your womanly tricks. (wink)

Her: haha no... I like them

Me: so what's your name

Her: Chloe

Me: Chloe. I like that name. I had a pastor with 12 kids who had that name. She was the youngest and the only girl. And it's a unique name too

Her: Yeah, there's not alot of Chloes

Me yeah, my name's josh... there's like a billion of us, so I'm giving my kid a cool first name. My buddy just had a kid... named him Maverick. He spelled it Maveryk.

Her: really?

Me yeah, nobody's ever gonna mess up that kid's name ever isn't that weird?

Her: yeah that's cool

She starts grabbing clothes off the shelf

Her:... Okay how about these (points to some horrible looking white shorts with black pinstripes that looked like something a skater would wear... not me... they were $80... keep in mind I'm not working right now)

Me: Nice, but that's really not my style.

Her: What about this (picks out something that actually looks good)

Me: Cool! I like that. How much is it

Her: $60

Me: uh... honestly I'm probably not going to buy anything in this store that is more than $20

Her: Uh... then you're not going to find that...

Panicking for a second while trying not to let it show... I decided it was time to go direct and go in for the kill or lose her forever because I was out of shit to say and needed an excuse to keep talking to her.

Me: Well, anyway I need to get back to my friend in a minute, he's been chill'n in the back waiting for me, but before I go I've got to confess to you honestly, I just wanted an excuse to talk to you. I find you really attractive, and I'm really picky about who I go out with.

Her: aw really? smiling

Me: yeah. (wink) We should get together and do something some time. You look like a real fun girl. I bet we could have great times together. I'll tell you what, let me get your number and I'll call you up some time so we can get to know each other better

Her: OK! it's bla bla bla bla bla bla bla...

Me: I need a good name for you so I don't mix you up with all the other Chloes in my address book... I'm calling you... Chloe with a million bracelets

Her: hehehe

Me: (on my phone typing it in). OK, I'm gonna call you so you have my number. Do you have your phone on you? (so I could hear it ring to know she got the call and it was her real number).

Her: no, it's in my purse.

Me: hmmmm... (wink, eyebrow raised, knowing smile) This is a real number right? This isn't a fake one like the one that goes to your ugly male cousin that you give to all the weird guys who try to hit on you at work right?

Her (eyes get big like wtf? how'd he know we do that) giggles... noooo...

Me: I know all your feminine tricks, remember.

Her: hhaha Nooooo... it's real. I promise.

Me: OK, it better be because integrity is really important to me. Like I always call back when people call me. It's just a matter of respect. People just don't get that these days you know?

Her: I know, it's so rude. Don't worry it's real.

Me: awesome. You're a sweetheart. I'll give you a call later this week.

Her: Okkkkay!!! (bouncing up and down a bit giggling)

Me: (realizing I failed to kino her once I decided to try to salvage it like Style with the kiss cheek close but in a way appropriate for her job) Hug?

Her: YEAH!

We hugged for a minute and I picked her up a bit and pressed her breasts up against my chest... God that felt good! And in public! In front of everyone including her pussy ass male coworkers watching jealously... HAHAH you could smell the envy!

Me: you're so cool! I'll see you later, I got to get back to my friend.

Her: Okkkkkayy talk to you later! hehe!

(I called her yesterday... got voice mail... it was HER voice mail!... From here on this part requires another post for later on... I suck with phone game, so I'm getting some help before I start gaming her more here...especially with text game... but I digress... ... ...)

The Sauce was standing in the back with his jaw slack watching with big eyes in disbelief.

Sauce: MAN, that was the chick I wanted! She's hot! Did you get her number?!

Me: It was my turn, and he who waits masturbates. Yeah, I got it man! What did I tell you? This stuff works.

Sauce: AW MAN! Now I gotta get one!

Me: so you agree it works

Sauce: Yeah man. Let's go. I gotta talk to another girl now! MAN dammit! That was awesome! How did you do that?

LOL. One of the best nites of my life next to the night I gamed a stripper and started dating her for a couple weeks. I truly felt invincible and bad ass.

Now it's time to get the date.

Now I have to get to work. Later!

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