I'm sure a lot of you have stumbled across this site.
As a place to debunk the legendary status of some of the self-proclaimed "gurus" out there, I think it's great. I have never paid for a bootcamp or anything like that, and have bought a few massively discounted products for like £5-10 out of curiosity because frankly this is very little money. There's a lot of free content out there, and it should be an impetus for guys to go out there and try stuff out and see what works for them, NOT assume one guru is 100% right and follow every part of his game step by step.
However, there's a general attitude on that forum that basically looks are what get you laid and if you don't have them, there's no point in trying to use game, and if you do have them, then you don't need game anyway.
This is frankly absolute bullshit and a really negative limiting belief to give to guys. It basically says "wait around until you see a girl likes you, and then go for it" which basically leaves everything up to chance and gives you no motivation to try and succeed or alter your fate in any way.
It's like saying that sales techniques (e.g. NLP) are all bullshit. Either someone walks in and wants to buy a product, or they don't and there's nothing you can do to change that. We all know that's not true, otherwise there would be no advertising. Ad men like Don Draper have spent decades convincing people that they need and want a product they initially didn't even know existed and certainly had no desire for. Although cold calling has a low success rate, it still sells products and generates leads despite the fact that people have a huge "bitch shield" when they get a cold call. Of course, if you know a girl is definitely attracted, then you can approach with confidence and just escalate. But that doesn't mean a cold approach, where you generate attraction in a girl who didn't notice you initially, can't also work too.
Furthermore, the whole premise is coming from a male mindset. For a guy, nothing a woman says will change her from a 4 to an 8, no matter how smart, funny, how many friends she has, what her goals are, etc. We know that this is not true for women. Women are literally ATTRACTED to power, status, value, wealth, intelligence, humour, preselection, confidence, etc. A simple psychological test is to ask women to rate the attractiveness of a man. In the control group, the man is by himself, in the other group the man in surrounded by women who are all looking at him and smiling. The girls will rate the second guy as MUCH HOTTER, despite the fact that his features are IDENTICAL. Men will rate a girl the same regardless, in fact they will probably not even notice anything else in the photo apart from her if she's hot.
If you have looks, then game that's tailored to the "assuming attraction" style will work well for you, but you still need to learn how to escalate correctly, handle logistics, and build some comfort and qualify so she doesn't think you're a player and it's only about sex and try to get away from you. Guys with looks generally can get away with more fuck ups and still get the girl, but many really good looking guys still fail because of confidence issues or the like, and need a roadmap and practice to succeed.
If you don't have looks, then game can absolutely still work for you. Super-direct game, especially in a club environment, will be more difficult to pull off, but still possible if you build enough social proof and are having a great time and really exuding confidence, sexuality and playfulness. However, you will often have to work harder on building attraction through your personality and other traits (preselection, social value, intelligence, etc), and then you can move through the rest of the steps in the same way. False disqualifiers/negs/rapport breaks can be more useful, but not necessarily essential.
As someone with what I reasonably believe are below average looks, I can tell you all that I went from believing I had to settle for 4s and 5s to regularly bagging 8s and 9s. It feels great too because I know I've worked at it, and am getting results not because of the way I was born, but because of who I've made myself into. You can all do the same, no matter who you are or what you look like.
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