To date, most of my PU experience is derived from warm aproaches. Without getting into detail about my situation, lets just sufice to say i dont drive and its hard for me to get out without other people involved.

What this has lead to for me is a somewhat unique expereinse during the intial development of my game. This post should help people with similar situations to me, and maybe even others.

Since most of the girls im currently gameing i either have known at some point, or i have meet through a friend, gameing them doesnt work the same as sarging.

The most important observation i have made, is that you shouldnt use these women as targets/practice unless your willing to do without them. Lets face it if your new your gonna make mistakes, and if some of these girls are people youd like to keep as friends (or just have them in your life), then you dont want your mistakes to fall on them.

The reason this is a hard situation is because im taking quality targets, gameing them, and then having mistakes push them away.

The nice thing about sarging is that you can practice and you dont lose anything you had.

So if i had to handle this all over again, i would do it the same to an extent. First i have been "opening" (or being opened)..which includes all nonconventional types like being messaged on myspace, intorduced, or even having a friend give contact info like email.

After that i do the typical attraction phases, and go into comfort a bit. Once again not conventional as it takes place over the phone or via internet. If over the computer i end up with a number close.

Then this brings us to the part id change. What i had been doing is trying to get these girls out, sometimes just us, to game them in person. By this point some kind of attraction has been communicated between us usally.

And then things fizzle out, we lose touch and things get akward. Cancelled meetings, uncontrolable events, etc all create a time gap and eventually lead to haveing to start all over agin, which is hard.

What i would change, is instead of trying to directly game these women, make them part of your social circle for now. Treat them as if they are just a friend, put them into YOUR LJBF. Do this to pump up your social proof, and your available choices for how to spend free time.

Later, work them out of YOUR LJBF, and game them. Try to do this after you have managed to sarge enough to reduce silly mistakes. Then use a higher quality game (the one you have spent working on with less valued targets) on your higher quality targets, the ones that are warm aproaches. They are higher quality because usually the initial attraction is there.

Hope this helps and makes sence, i havnt gotten much sleep in the last few days.

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I feel you, running on short sleep. Could I recommend two sites to you, as I notice you living in a met area (ILLadelphia stand up!) and relly on the internet a lot:
http://www.okcupid.com
http://www.plentyoffish.com

Plenty of horny ass girls to kick game to, 90% of them are willing to meet in person, and you can take a cab/walk to meet them within the city. I hope these help.

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Well, was posting this really to get takes on peoples expereinces in the same situation.

I honestly am not a huge fan of online dateing, but am open to the idea (or becomming more so anyway). Ill check out those sites, thanks. For the sake of staying in context would you mind shareing your experiences in relation to those sites?

Also, if you are in the same situation as me, that being its hard for you to get out, is this how you keep yourself from sacrificeing your warm aproaches?

My main point in all this i guess was that instead of directly gameing the targets you get through friends or from people you used to know, you should LJBF them until you have been able to work on your game with targets you dont know. Be it through sargeing, online dateing, bars/clubs, etc. After you get your game to the point of minimizing mistakes then you can pull them out of your LJBF and hopefully turn them into closes or relationships.

Thanks guys.

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-Ka-
"Be the same, only better."

As far as the sites go, I get lots of dates, a few hookups, occasional fuck. A lot of girls message me first so its kind of like a foolsmate, but they are invaluable when it comes to practicing new routines without looking like a fool.
Personally I NEVER EVER hook up with girls who are my friends. I am very much an SOI guy. From the time I meet her I put her into one of three categories- Mo's, GFMs, and NGFMs. My own little acronyms, isn't that cute?

Mo's are girls who I think of like guys, whether it be their physique that turns me off or something glaring about their personality.
GFM or girlfriend material are girls i would pursue a LTR with. they are sexy, smart, and trustworthy.
NGFMs, or non-girlfriend material are girls who are sexy and spunky, but they aren't very smart or can't be trusted. simply not worth spending money and time on, besides to hookup and party with.

Anyways, within the first 2 times I see a girl, I issue a SOI. Once a girl becomes a Mo she's pretty much there for life, even if she gets super-hot by some miracle. I will treat her just like a guy, and a lot of times i will treat NGFMs like guys, but in a more playfully sexual way.

let me know if this isn't clear.

it makes my life easier, i know which girls within my social circle are worth chasing, which are worth sleeping with, and which are worth watching football and playing guitar hero with.

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"My dick... rumble in the jungle... your dick... got touched by your uncle."