Cash Burn Items in Your PUA Journey

• 1. Maintenance Expenses: grooming items like conditioners and shaving creams, grooming services like hair cuts and gym fees, clothes, proper diet, peacocking/monster cocking items, etc.
  
  2. Operating Expenses: taxi fares, fuel, phone credits, club entrance fees and drinks, meals, etc.
  
  3. Medical Expenses: STI SPAM, doctor's consultation fees, doctor prescribed medications, vitamins, lung cancer SPAM if you frequent smoking clubs, etc.
  
  4. Copulation Expenses: condoms, f-place equipment, girlie things like lotions and face powders, motel fees, etc.

PUA can be an expensive lifestyle if you cannot identify and manage the costs (and risks). Several night outs in a club can be worth hundreds of dollars a month. STI SPAM can set you back a few thousand dollars. Meals with half a dozen girls weekly can cost a fortune even when you split bills with the girls. Keep an open mind and consider this:

Cash Flow Items in Your PUA Journey

• 1. Girlie donations: girl buys the grocery items for your dinner, girl buys some things for your apartment, etc.
  
  2. Free services from girls: house cleaning, laundry, chef services, massage.
  
  3. Girlie investments: venture capital from girls, personal loans, etc.

Since PUA is an expense-heavy lifestyle, I would like to promote the idea that pick up can be turned into a profit center activity without selling PUA stuff to AFCs but rather earning profits from the pick up arts patrons themselves-- women.

Debunk or discuss.

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There are ways around that, we pride ourselves in being lovers vs. providers, will debunk:


Grooming(shave head cost $0), clothes(discount outlets like marshals, ross, syms, menwarehouse, amazon..), Gym fees(p90x and in home workout systems), proper diet(you need to eat, does not change the equation)
There are many ways to get in the club for free, i may make a post about that, i do not pay for clubs, i do not drink(seducers should not be drinking), meals (again you need to eat pua or not).
wtf, condoms, and since you are hopefully working out and into self development, you probably won't need a doctor, i am martial artist/gymnist and i have not been to a doctor in 7 years or more.
That shit don't cost much...
Can be if you don't know what you are doing it does not have to be.
Yes indeed....
^ yes indeed, specially a place to stay and free living expenses...
^ i would not advise any of the above. Though all my businesses in my gfs' name, but not advisable.

^ no! We go for the love of women and seduction, not to try to exploit women for profit, wrong mindset to have, though i do teach what i call a softer version pimp type game. But, my twist is that i self develop and transform women into the best they can be, and in the process they make more money, and naturally i benefit from that for being with them and getting them there. All the little extra you get from women(and i do) is the icing on the cake should not be the focus, let me get something from them, cause it will backfire.

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You're putting women on the pedestal which is the wrong mindset to have. So would you rather earn a quick buck from the AFCs than pick up artists' patrons?

Women spend more money on porn (female porn; there's a big difference when it comes to male porn) than men, here: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evo ... otic-women

Why shouldn't PUAs take some chunk out of women's porn budget?

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yea, here is a sample of me putting women in a pedestal:

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HB Valuation 101 (Not Rating Scale)

In sustaining relationships, the best indicator there is if you're handling your relationships well is when HBs are doing nice things for you. The actual study showing the reason why women do nice things starts at around 23:50 in the Youtube video below:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQqCDbgiAM[/youtube]

Nice things can be anything like gifts, free services, running errands, financial support, personal loans, free groceries, free tuition fees, and/or free food. Some HBs can afford spending an x amount of money on you while some who are not as rich will provide free services.

Lifetime HB Value

Say, if an HB sticks around for 6 months providing you free laundry services once a week where one laundry session lasts 4 hours, you can place an hourly value on her free service. Let's give her, say, a minimum wage of US $7.50 per hour.

Thus:

• 7.50 x 4 hours x 24 weeks = US $720

But this is not the HB's value yet. Her value is actually your profit. To compute your profit, let's assume that your hourly wage rate is US $27 per hour.

• 27 x 4 hours x 24 weeks = US $2,592

Hence, if you did the laundry yourself, your cost is around $2,592 for 6 months. If the girl does your laundry for you for free, you would have profited $1,872 ($2,592 - $720) provided that you have devoted the time you had saved in more productive money making work.

Moral Lesson: HBs should be part of a PUA's team. Treat women as humans and not as sex objects. Women can provide you more than just sex. Women can cook too. Some can make great coffee. Some girls are intelligent and they can provide you free accounting services, free dental services, free medical services, etc.

The idea is to sarge and keep at least one each of these career women: 1 lawyer, 1 doctor (general practice), 1 nurse, 1 banker, 1 accountant, 1 hairdresser, 1 businesswoman, and so on.

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Hey man this is how i do it, from a post in another forum that i did:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... L1pA0McgvM[/youtube]

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I Usually losing my wallet from time to time..and The Spread is a great motivator to go hardcore!!

Pick Up Cost Management

Most PUA newbies will blow most of their money on PUA books, bootcamps, DVDs and other products. I know. I've been there and done that except for spending money on bootcamps. But this is just the tip of the iceberg if you're intent on getting really good with women.

Let's detail some of the costs so we can manage our finances down to the f-close and up to sustaining the relationship if your goal is to have MLTRs.

Pre-Sarging Costs

Time and again, I've advised newbies to choose one PUA book at a time and spend lots of time testing it on field. What typically happens is that a newbie will tend to buy dozens upon dozens of PUA material and gobble everything up for 6 months to one year and never actually going out to sarge. I've read many posts around here where forum members just kept on lurking for a long time and never doing anything. They have low post counts but lurk a lot. You'll notice these types when they finally post and ask a question after they have finally decided to sarge.

Spend a maximum $100 on a PUA material and then immediately go out to a hair dresser to get a hair cut. Not all hair salons are created equal. Choose the best one and you'll look like a celebrity. Girls notice little things like your haircut.

Get a body SPA so you'll feel good. When you feel good, your sarges tend to have better results. Once a month, try to pamper yourself with a body SPA.

Get a new pair of shoes and red clothing. If you're new to pick up, definitely do this. Once a year, I buy 4 pairs of shoes for my sarges. Girls notice your shoes. Calibrate what you can afford. Dress right and your sexual attractiveness will improve several percentage points.

Eat right. Not all foods are created equal. Healthy, organic foods cost a lot more than ordinary food. Get some probiotics foods like yoghurt and lactobaccilli drinks. Splurge on fruits and nuts. Eat lots of okra, broccoli and cauliflower. Once a week, eat oysters if you can find them. Cook the oysters rather than eat them raw if your stomach is not that resilient. These foods are good for your testosterone and penis. That's right. Take care of your penis. Penis care has costs too.

Enroll in a gym or buy exercise equipment. Many HIIT exercises can be done without equipment. However, once you have spent a certain amount for exercises, you'll be forced to do it otherwise, you know that you're wasting money.

Sarging Costs

Spend within your means folks. If you keep on borrowing money for your night game, this will not be good in the long run. You'll likely lose a lot of friends and this can affect your game negatively.

Set a fixed budget for the entrance fee, cover charge, table charge, food, drinks, tips and other incidental expenses and stick to it. Sticking to your budget will force you not to buy girls drinks when you get shit tested.

Day game has almost zero expense. Since you'll eat your breakfast, lunch or dinner any way, choose girl rich environments where you can eat your meals. You can sarge and eat at the same time. If you need to go to the bank once a week, sarge girls in the bank as well. If you're going to get a haircut, sarge girls in the hair salon. If you go to church every Sunday, sarge the church girls. You get the idea.

F-Close Costs

Logistics can be very expensive if you're banging 6 girls a week. Keep your costs low by getting your own apartment instead of checking in motels. Buy condoms, KY Jelly, wine and other f-close things in bulk instead of piece meal. The discounts will go a long way.

Relationship Costs

If a girl is investing 4 hours of free service on you, keep your cost below $30 ($7.50 x 4 hours) a week on the girl. If you have an LTR with an accountant, lawyer, doctor or nurse, $30 a week is also a good rule to follow. The point is, it is more profitable for you if you can have a stable of professionals.

So if you have 5 regular girls, your weekly expenses on girls will be around $150 or $600 a month. Remember: It takes a lot more expense to get a new girl than to keep one. If you can flip the lover-provider script in your MLTRs, you'll always make a profit in your PUA lifestyle.

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I actually think PUA books etc. are some of the best things to spend money on relative to other expenses. Bootcamps are a waste I think, but books are cheap. $50 here, $50 there? If you turn one date from a wasted date into a lay because of a book it already paid for itself.

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That is correct and I agree.

There are some dudes around here who buy more than a dozen ($50 x 12=$600) PUA materials and never sarge. I've spent on several PUA books and was content with sarging 3 to 5 women a week until I saw The Jackal Ronin's teams' approach statistics.

That kicked my butt to approach at least 200 girls a week. With higher volume approaches, I began to see the value of some PUA books and realized that some are crap.

Since my pick up skills have sharpened, I've brought down my sarges to a more reasonable number; at least 10 girls a day.

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Hey guys i think to be the best of the best with women you need to study the best of the best, which are guys getting paid by women, includes, some naturals (wink wink), pimps, male strippers, gigolos etc... anyways there is a new series in show time worth taking a look, you can watch for free on project free tv, it is called gigolos

http://www.ordershowtime.com/sho/gigolos/home

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Show isn't that new, and it is fake fyi...

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First of all: Are we really putting a price on a female service for us?

Is this what PUA is about?
Come on! I don`t think so...

Besides, I`m amazed about how little attention is being paid to the most important thing of it all: learning!

I propuse to you fellas a better deal: Rather than calculating how much profit you are obtaining with a particualar girl, actually pay attention to what she says and follow her advice! Goddamn LEARN from her.

Say she`s a doctor, say you are sick with the flu. She comes over for a fuck and taking care of you. Actually pay attention to what she tests on you, actually see what she`s filling you in with and then apply on your own.

I always thought about the game rule: "Leave her better than you found her" as a two way street; if you are the only one teaching the girl new stuff people will be doomed to stay as newbies. Leaving her better than you found her is also her leaving you better than you were.

Introduction to PUA Portfolio Management

A seducer with a goal of sexual MLTRs will have a set of girls. This is his relationship portfolio. On one hand, these girls could belong to the same age bracket, educational attainment, sexual preferences or manifest similar behavior. On the other hand, the seducer might prefer a different mix: girls that belong to different legal age groups, varying levels of education, different sexual references or have different behavior across the board.

Routine things ensure mastery and higher success rates. However, routine can become boring to a certain extent. Hence, some seducers prefer a different mix of women to sarge. Sarging a different mix of women have several advantages aside from killing seduction boredom.

1. SARGING VENUE MIX (SVM)

With 7 days in a week and you go out to sarge 3 nights a week in a club, then your sarging venue mix is: 3/7 Night Clubs.

If you have encountered the threads or posts of seducers like Clozer, Heywood Jablowme, Hunter_Foxe or Retired Rodeo, these guys sarge in different venues like: the supermarket/grocery, the beach, bars, gym, restaurants, charity balls, and so on.

For instance, Retired Rodeo likes to spend his mornings at the beach. Let's assume he spends his mornings on the beach every day. This means that his sarging venue mix is 7/21 Beach. Since he sarges twice a week in supermarkets during the afternoons, then that's 2/21 Supermarket. RR also sarges at night in bars every Friday (if I'm not mistaken) so that's 1/21 Bars.

To gauge how active a PUA is in sarging, let's summarize RR's Sarging Venue Mix:

7/21 Beach
2/21 Supermarket
1/21 Bars
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10/21 Total Weekly Sarging Frequency

If you're only sarging once a week in a mall and nothing else, then your SVM will be 1/7 Malls. If you play football Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays and then workout Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, then we can have a snapshot of your extra curricular activities as:

1/7 Seduction
3/7 Football
3/7 Gym
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6/7 Total Weekly Quality of Life Routine

Remember: Venue dictates the type of women you get, generally speaking. If you like party girls, you can find them in night clubs. If you like strippers, you can find them in the red light district. If you like educated women, you can find them at the library or at the university. If you like nurses and doctors, you can find them at the hospital cafeterias. If you like women who gamble, you can find them at the horse races or at the casinos. You get the drift.

2. SARGING EFFORT ALLOCATION (SEA)

Let's admit it. Some guys can multi-task. Others can't.

With this, we can say that when dude X sarges, he devotes his entire 100% effort to sarging on a particular day or night. The ideal effort I think should be something like this: 80% effort on routine day-to-day activities and 20% effort on sarging.

Say, when you go out to the wet market to get your dose of organic vegetables, natural omega fatty acids from freshly caught salmon or uncanned tuna belly, and natural zinc from oysters, you spend 80% of your effort shopping for healthy foods to take good care of yourself. Now, you can actually sarge in the wet market so you spend 20% of your effort sarging while picking up fresh, healthy food.

What could be more efficient and time-saving than that, hmm?

3. OPM: Other Pussies' Money

Some girls are rich while some girls are poor. Since pick up is an expense-heavy lifestyle, you can sign up a team of wealthy, generous women who can help finance your seduction safaris to sarge more women.

Personally, my sarging mix looks like this:

1/21 Wealthy Girls
14/21 Students and Working Girls
3/21 Professionals

The rule of thumb is that one wealthy woman can help finance your sexual MLTRs with 2 to 3 regular girls and regular sarging for fresh replacements.

4. PROFIT CENTERS AND COST CENTERS

If you're spending too much money on your seduction lifestyle, it's about time you changed your mind set about sarging girls. Drop the girls in your life like hot potato who are cost centers; those who do not contribute a single dollar to your lifestyle in terms of services, money, money equivalents, or money derivatives.

On the other hand, take care of your profit centers well; those girls who willingly and happily invest in you in terms of services, money, groceries and other stuff that you need, and professional connections or sales referrals that add value to your career or business.

End Note

All inputs (good or bad) are more than welcome. Name calling is cool in this thread too but of course, if you can give us insightful ideas that could be pro or against the ideas presented here, those will be better appreciated.

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