I truly appreciate the innovation it takes to come up with a method for doing pickup. I can certainly appreciate those guru's out there such as Gambler, Sinn, Adam Lyons, Mystery, Style, Brad P., Hypnotica, etc. They truly are given a momenumental task with coming up with their original idea of their method or general principals for making what they do work.
I can also truly appreciate how difficult the marketing of their method must be. Constantly these men and others are coming out with new material to satisfy the young learning monster minds out there. They are constantly pushing limits and coming up with new ways to get the girls and market their products. Seriously this is no easy task.
Ok JSmooth I see what you are saying but what is the point? The point is simple there are lots of way to get the girl. There is no "one and only" way that works all the time which we know. The truth is the method Mystery employs works well, Gamblers works well, Sinns stuff works, and Adam Lyons stuff works too if you get in there and really apply what you learn from them.
One of the constant problems a lot of us that have been around a while is the "learning junkie" PUA. Guys come into the forum and they just want to absorb all they can because they think that LEARNING MORE is the answer to their deficiency. Then there becomes this fallacy that the "new" material is better than the old material.
Here is a revelation for some of you all.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT A SHORTAGE OF NEW IDEAS BUT A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING THAT THE OLD IDEAS STILL WORK.
Wait JSmooth so therefore are you saying that Mystery Method still works using all those canned lines? Yep. 100% I will focus for a moment on the Mystery Method because there is a lot of bias around the fact that its been out a long time and it no longer works. Eric V. you can thank me later!
There is a lot of material that stems from the Mystery Method that #1 a lot of people haven't applied and/or don't understand the underlying principals regarding why it works. For instance there are people out there using David D.'s "cocky funny" style without reading the book and ultimately they are just being asshole to women. Evan P. you can thank me later!
Going back to Mystery Method cause this is an easy example is Negs! OMG, some of the negs you all say to women should land you in freaking prison or at least a kick in the balls. Those that understand the idea that just a few negs are needed, and most of the time aren't needed at all. There are those of you that understand that negs are meant to just be peppered in to make microcalibrations to the value shifts. Most of the people that really "get it" are those that have gone out and applied the craft.
Does that mean a neg won't work without understanding the underlying principals for why it was put in Mystery's Method? No, you can get results with it. It's like fishing in the dark though, you'll get sporadic results using the right bait, even if you aren't using it the right way.
Another side point I'll go ahead and make here is that a lot of people think of canned material as the openers specifically mentioned by Mystery Method or used on the VH1 show. As it is defined in the book Mystery and LoveDrop wrote it is any material you've used before that you can recall at a moments notice. The "Can" is your own memory. Yes that means that original opener you wrote and have used a few times is now considered "Canned material."
Guess what though... Can you use "Who lies more" as an opener and get women. Yep! I've done it fairly recently actually. I don't advise it because of how much that particular opener has been used but it can be done with little problems. The framework of the method works just fine, what you fill in the blanks with is up to you.
The old methods work just fine. I know it came out some 6 years ago and it's a shocking thought that some of the guys from that era that used it knew what the hell they were talking about and still do. People don't change! Evolutionary speaking it takes a while to put in change into a society. Since people don't change quickly that means the underlying principals that make a method work are still good to go.
This is why a book called Dale Carnegies book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" which is considered one of the top books about people and working with people by business written in 1936 still has a lot of principals that still work for us today. Yes 1936 principals still apply today.
I'm not knocking any of the new methods like 60 YOC because there are good principals in it as well, just as there are in the old material. The point is the enemy for you guys isn't finding the latest and hottest method that you just got an email about from your favorite guru. It is about getting good with what you already know, applying it in the field, and understanding the underlying principals that make it that method work.
Now comes the point where the guru's won't like me so much. Put down your latest copy of the DVD you got on pickup, stop the YouTube Videos, put down your 5th PUA book you are now reading...if you already have a PUA method in your head then get off your ass, get into the field, and apply what you've learned.
If you are new to the game and are trying to piece it together from the forum...STOP....spend the $20 to get a book or $100 to get some DVDs so that you can learn this the right way instead of trying to re-invent the wheel. If you are serious about getting good and making an impact in your life then you can afford to invest in yourself.
Final Thought:
"If you haven't changed, you haven't learned."
Jon