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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:26 am 
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This is related to my last post that got derailed by side comments:

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I wanted to continue posting on this one girl, as I am not done defining the relationship I am in with her.

We last left off with her and I seeing her about once a week, she has been great closes every time except for the first meet. Last week she found a bra underneath my bed, but I didn't worry about it. She told me that she knew I was seeing other women, I basically didn't answer her when she said that, only laughing (sub-communicating "yes, but were not talking about it). Oddly enough, it was just one other girl I was seeing, but whoever I'm seeing is irrelevant in the matter.

Fast forward to this week she said she wanted to see me Wed. night and added she would like to see my comp. I said no, but she still wanted to see me. Anyway, Wed morning I texted her saying that she I was looking forward to seeing her to which she replied in a long three messages that she had to see her nephew and sister for some reason, went into explaining it. Oh and she invited me to come as well.

I responded saying, "No worries, some other time!"

She responded with several counter offers, making Thursday available and Sunday, also that she would make Friday or Saturday available but she was working.

I haven't responded since and won't until at least Sunday. I am independent of the outcome here. I would like to of course have this girl as an MLTR, but I won't accept flakes like that from a girl. It's punishing the bad behavior and rewarding the good.

There is always a chance I will lose this girl, but I don't think so. I will keep this post updated as we see if she can be MLTR material.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:05 am 
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Don't accept the flaking so easily. When she tries to cancel on you, hold firm to the date that she's given. If she's giving something/someone else priority, she'll realize that you won't stand for her flaking on you and keep the agreed day and time. If it's truly an emergency, she'll explain the emergency and you can let her slide.

Since you're outcome independent, this may be a better way to go.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:07 am 
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I was actually really surprised by this flake. The reason seems legit- her sister is in town "doing a training" and she wants to watch her nephew. Part of her plan is to get me more into the boyfriend so the following makes sense, I just re-read the text and the end of it says "You are more than welcome to hang out with us(watch a movie or something) then when she gets back we could go to your place for a bit ;-) or we could hang out tomorrow if you don't have plans."

Haha I totally missed that last part about going back to my house the first time. Doesn't change my play though.
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Don't accept the flaking so easily. When she tries to cancel on you, hold firm to the date that she's given.
Are you suggesting to push more for the plans that were already set?
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If she's giving something/someone else priority, she'll realize that you won't stand for her flaking on you and keep the agreed day and time.
This is what I don't like and won't stand for.
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Since you're outcome independent, this may be a better way to go.
I'm not sure what you are suggesting. my plan is to ignore her for a few days (a soft next) and she will realize on her own how she messed up and re-correct. What is it you would do?

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Are you suggesting to push more for the plans that were already set?
Absolutely. Your most valuable possession is your time. When you make it for someone else, they should respect it.
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This is what I don't like and won't stand for.
That's why you stand firm on your scheduled time. When women flake, most of the time they have a made up excuse. If it's something that she gave higher priority than you, they won't give you the real story. If they feel like they will lose out they'll "find a way" to get out of the other thing and stick to the original plan. If she gets away with it, she's just set a precedent and will likely do and get away with it again.

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I understand those points about time etc. My question is, what you would do specifically in this situation? My interpretation of what you are saying is that you would send something back like, "No you said you are meeting me tonight, that's what's happening."

I know some domineering PUAs that would get pissed and call her out on bad behavior, one way of dealing with it, just never been for me. I've always had success saying no big deal ignoring her and then resuming after some time, then she respects my time and knows how to behave.

It's early in the relationship and she doesn't exactly know that she's missing out or what she can get away with.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:27 am 
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Personally, I'm just matter of fact about it. I just state our plans were for tonight. When she starts giving other times, I'll state that I understand but I made time for her tonight.

If you want to call her out for bad behavior, you can do that if you want but it's not what I would do. Again, it's my time and if I don't respect it why would she? There's no need to be domineering about it because this isn't about domination. The only real difference is just a modification between when you say "no worries, some other time!" is when she is negotiating time you're just repeating your original time.
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It's early in the relationship and she doesn't exactly know that she's missing out or what she can get away with.
You already said that you've defined the relationship, so she actually does know what she's missing out on and you are letting her know that she can get away with flaking.

This is the point I was trying to make to you the other day when you got upset. She is looking for one thing from you which is not what you want from her. You've already fucked her, so it's okay to let her know what to expect from you so that she's not throwing out "do boyfriend things with me", because she won't go anywhere. At the most she will try to change your mind, but that will be her decision.

Then you'll say "PUA types do this" or "PUA types do that", but how much better are you than the PUA types that you look down on if you are keeping her in the dark and making her try to figure out your intentions? Even worse, you will make her feel fucked over once she finally figures out that you are just keeping her around for sex knowing that she wants more.

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This doesn't belong in relationships. Please read the rules at the top of this subforum...

Also - don't create secondary threads for topics that already exist. They clutter the forum.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:33 pm 
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This doesn't belong in relationships. Please read the rules at the top of this subforum...
It's about one of my current girlfriends.
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Also - don't create secondary threads for topics that already exist. They clutter the forum.
Moderate the forum and get the other shit off my other post. Kind of reminds me of rule #8 hijacking a thread, which as you could obviously tell if you read this thread, there is value for anyone who reads it on the interest of a relationship.
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Read the rules please.
2. Be excellent to each other. Party on, dudes.
Give value and don't flame others. Flaming is what happens when you get all emotional and whiny after you read something that you disagree with. Calm down, tiger. Positivity is a lot more awesome than negativity. Trust me.

8. Don't hijack threads. Post a new thread if your post isn't relevant to the discussion.

Thanks moderator. Can we move past ego stuff so that you can moderate effectively and I can post accordingly?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:42 pm 
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Personally, I'm just matter of fact about it. I just state our plans were for tonight. When she starts giving other times, I'll state that I understand but I made time for her tonight.

If you want to call her out for bad behavior, you can do that if you want but it's not what I would do. Again, it's my time and if I don't respect it why would she? There's no need to be domineering about it because this isn't about domination. The only real difference is just a modification between when you say "no worries, some other time!" is when she is negotiating time you're just repeating your original time.

You already said that you've defined the relationship, so she actually does know what she's missing out on and you are letting her know that she can get away with flaking.
That's what I was asking, just wanted to see your frame and reactions to flakes like that. Makes sense.
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This is the point I was trying to make to you the other day when you got upset. She is looking for one thing from you which is not what you want from her. You've already fucked her, so it's okay to let her know what to expect from you so that she's not throwing out "do boyfriend things with me", because she won't go anywhere. At the most she will try to change your mind, but that will be her decision.

Then you'll say "PUA types do this" or "PUA types do that", but how much better are you than the PUA types that you look down on if you are keeping her in the dark and making her try to figure out your intentions? Even worse, you will make her feel fucked over once she finally figures out that you are just keeping her around for sex knowing that she wants more.
Maybe and you have a good point here, but also consider how much you are able to know about someone in just a month. I come from the position of everything is earned with me. When we first start seeing each other or even fucking, I don't have an attachment to the relationship with any girl as she might in this case. Why would you? You hardly know each other after such time, I can't even consider a relationship. So I am not hiding my intentions of not wanting a relationship, but they are not there, yet.

I will keep the no communication and report back.

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I realized it!

She wants the boyfriend thing, so she cancels the meet up and invites me to hang out with her and her nephew. After words hinting at sex! IE: hang out with me, do the relationship thing and you get sex.

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You're a very special little kid, aren't you?

Whose ego are we talking about here? Your immaturity and lack of experience is glaring...

And why are you trying to make an enemy of the mod staff while disguising your motives as constructive, differing opinions.

You're fooling no one. Every one here thinks you're a dick.

From your first post:
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I don't really have time for the girlfriend thing nor want it.
Sure sounds like your girlfriend.

Beyond ALL that.... YOU started this fight (not just with me, but with everyone here... and when it got out of control and you wanted to back off, your solution was to ask the moderators who you'd just insulted to moderate the derailing of your thread...)

Gotta say that's probably not at the top of my priority list...

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It's about one of my current girlfriends.
I'm SO glad you mentioned this 'DHV spike'. Here I am, thinking you don't get laid...

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When a girl flakes repeatedly its a strong indicator the attraction isn't above a 5.


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Personally, I'm just matter of fact about it. I just state our plans were for tonight. When she starts giving other times, I'll state that I understand but I made time for her tonight.

If you want to call her out for bad behavior, you can do that if you want but it's not what I would do. Again, it's my time and if I don't respect it why would she? There's no need to be domineering about it because this isn't about domination. The only real difference is just a modification between when you say "no worries, some other time!" is when she is negotiating time you're just repeating your original time.

You already said that you've defined the relationship, so she actually does know what she's missing out on and you are letting her know that she can get away with flaking.
That's what I was asking, just wanted to see your frame and reactions to flakes like that. Makes sense.
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This is the point I was trying to make to you the other day when you got upset. She is looking for one thing from you which is not what you want from her. You've already fucked her, so it's okay to let her know what to expect from you so that she's not throwing out "do boyfriend things with me", because she won't go anywhere. At the most she will try to change your mind, but that will be her decision.

Then you'll say "PUA types do this" or "PUA types do that", but how much better are you than the PUA types that you look down on if you are keeping her in the dark and making her try to figure out your intentions? Even worse, you will make her feel fucked over once she finally figures out that you are just keeping her around for sex knowing that she wants more.
Maybe and you have a good point here, but also consider how much you are able to know about someone in just a month. I come from the position of everything is earned with me. When we first start seeing each other or even fucking, I don't have an attachment to the relationship with any girl as she might in this case. Why would you? You hardly know each other after such time, I can't even consider a relationship. So I am not hiding my intentions of not wanting a relationship, but they are not there, yet.

I will keep the no communication and report back.
This is why you are coming across like a phony in so many people's eyes. You're whole premise is that you are defining a relationship. Here you're telling us that you aren't hiding any intentions because they are not there yet. But in your other post you say this about the same girl.
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This is important because I am not the guy she does errands with, rather I am the guy she comes over to see, we hook up, talk about cool stuff and then she goes. At this time, I don't really have time for the girlfriend thing nor want it. I am designing the relationship I want where we hang out once a week, it is just good times and then she is back a week later.
You clearly say that you don't want a girlfriend and you know the role that you want her to play in your life. You clearly know that she wants a boyfriend and is asking you to do things with her other than chat then fuck.

Your claim is that you are outcome independent, but it seems like you prefer to avoid the conversations that you think will cause her to leave. If you truly were outcome independent you'd be able to say this, "At this point in my life I don't have time for a relationship, but I do like what we have right now." Unless you lied to her earlier on by saying you were looking for a relationship, this girl won't leave. The bonus is that she will never question if you're playing her and if you guys ever stop seeing each other, the door is always open for her to come back because she knows what she gets from you.

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Glad someone can stick to a topic.
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This is why you are coming across like a phony in so many people's eyes. You're whole premise is that you are defining a relationship. Here you're telling us that you aren't hiding any intentions because they are not there yet. But in your other post you say this about the same girl.
You are always defining a relationship. It never ends.
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You clearly say that you don't want a girlfriend and you know the role that you want her to play in your life. You clearly know that she wants a boyfriend and is asking you to do things with her other than chat then fuck.
I clearly don't want a girlfriend, right now. The right girl can always change that. 3 weeks again is to premature to change that.
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Your claim is that you are outcome independent, but it seems like you prefer to avoid the conversations that you think will cause her to leave.
Nope. It's a soft next. See here:
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I am outcome independent because "No worries, some other time!" Means I don't care. It should be the answer you give, if you would just call up another girl. You wouldn't care if you had another girl. You wouldn't freak out about your time being important. You just find another girl.

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