I've seen an increasing number of guys here on the forum mentioning "this sweet 10 I met at the bar last night!" or "this girl that's just my type and she's a total 10!" It troubles me.

You need to remember that the rating scale is basically a function of math, where the hotter the girl is, the closer she gets to 10, but it cannot be reached. The line curves as it reaches the number 10, it get's closer and closer, but just never reaches the mark (hopefully we've got some guys that haven't been out of school for as long as me and they can post some graph pics, or state that technical term for this, cause it's gonna bug me).

There are NO 10's they do NOT exist. The sooner you realise this, the sooner you will be able to accept abundance mentality and realise that there aren't any girls that are so specially that you need to sacrifice all sorts of things you've worked towards to get them. Sure, you can find 9.5's, sure you can find girls that you love, you can find girls that you'll work harder for than other women, because you truly have a connection between you, but you won't find any 10's, they are mythical.

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You posted this on the newbie forum.

For a virgin, every hot girl is a 10.

I understand what you were trying to say, a lot of guys should'nt give power over themselves to women.

But, on the other hand, is funnier to brag about a 10 than to brag about a 9.5.

Fortunately, no one has started talking about 11's..

This is exactly why I've posted it in the newbie section. Newbies need to realise this as early as possible, so they can get over a lot of these issues that hold them back in their development.

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I think most of the time when guys post on here about girls they game'd...the chicks are 5-7. They extend the truth to make it seem better. But there are some true stories with 9+ chicks


By the way, 5 would be considered average looking. Don't exaggerate guysssss

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lol "you kinda resemble a pornstar i know

not saying its a bad thing

because i'd fuck both of you"

Thats right

Why would people exaggerate on this forum about that? It wont help you improve....if you are exaggerating...you are just dumb.

There arent any 10s in appearance. Its a matter of perspective. But yes Rye is correct, you can never claim to have 'met' an HB10.

However, after getting to know these girls and even falling for a few, I think it is fair to say that you can eventually find your girl attractive enough to justify calling her an HB10. Also keep in mind I ambeing very harsch about this, you basically need to experience love, of the closest thing to love that you can, to feel that your girl is an HB10.

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What a title!

http://www.sparknotes.com/math/algebra2 ... ion2.rhtml

Horizontal Asymptotes - that's what you're talking about, Rye. In that link above, no matter how big the x value is, y will never be 3. So, I guess in the PUA world, there's a horizonal asymptote at 10. haha

That's all subjective. I actually disagree with the whole "there's no such thing as a 10" idea, but this doesn't mean that I subscribe to a scarcity mentality. Just because a girl is a 10 doesn't imply any sort of sacrifice on the PUA's part. I've met a couple girls in my life that I consider to be 10s to ME, but that just means I think very highly of them. It doesn't mean that I think they are higher than me in any way, shape, or form.

It's all in how you see and define it.

With that said, I generally avoid the 1-10 scale in the first place because of the dynamic nature of all the subjectivity. I think the scale breeds a lot of ego. I describe HBs as "I likes" and "I don't likes" lol.

Thank you, wicked! I just can't remember under what circumstances that occurs, but I'll ask one of my friends that is still a math nerd instead of getting too off topic here.

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There is a basic flaw in giving a girl a 10, because that is based upon the idea that the scale is out of 10, thus making her a 10/10, right? If you are marking something's excellence down, then giving it a perfect score, means that IT is perfect. So now that you've given her the best possible score, she must me perfect. Have you ever met ANYONE in your ENTIRE life, that you could point to and say they are PERFECT? I'm sure I can find a flaw in them and once I point it out, it will be a flaw to you too, so she's not even contextually perfect to just you, because we've agreed upon that flaw, you're just accepting of it, right?

So, if she's not 100% perfect - another way of expressing the term 10/10 aka 10 - then she's 98% perfect, or maybe incredible as it would be 99.9% perfect, which still only makes her a 9.99. Seeing as rounding up in this case would be selling a better product and lying, then we'll have to round down, cause calling a girl a 9.99 is silly, right? So we'll round down to the nearest half digit, thus making her a 9.5? That's the best you're gonna get gentlemen.

I'm not saying guys are calling girls 10s because they are trying to impress people, although I'm sure some guys do and I may have done it to avoid some shit from buddies when I found a 6 to be interesting enough to be a 7. I'm saying that people are tricking themselves into thinking a girl is a 10 because they are not thinking through the concept logically and it is causing them to round up, which in this case is a big error and will affect your mentality, affecting how you act. This will hold you back, this will change how you view the world and you will see it all through rose tinted glasses, which puts you in a prettier world, but you're gonna end up tripping and breaking your face on the pavement.

I hate that I need to write a disclaimer when saying this and that this phrase along with "who you gonna call?" have been forever ruined by pop culture, but: Free Your Mind is a very apt thing to say about this concept.

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We're all familiar with my views on the HB scale, but I couldn't help regurgitating them here.

The HB scale is total crap if you're using it to describe what you think about a girl. It's always inflated, subjective, personalized, etc. Arguing about consistent community standards of this way to use the HB scale is a moot point.

However, the HB scale is useful, even (I dare say) vital in calibration. This means, her HB score is best used to rate how she views herself... so that you can identify how best to game her.

Sure, bragging about this HB 8's hot apple bottom to your forum buddies is super sweet. Sure, I enjoy reading the different arguments on the mythology of HB 10's. I'm just surprised no one else chimed in on the "real/actual" use of the HB scale, as defined by the top guys out there.

Later Note: Reading back over this thread and the phrase "mythology of HB10's," I got this kick-ass mental image of HB10's running around like unicorns in the forest... some say they don't exist, some hope, and some even brag they've seen one (or at least know a friend of a friend who has.)

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An amendment I will make to this though, is that although there are no 10's, I will very infrequently make reference to 9's and "10's", due to it being the best way of expressing the fact that are girls that are better than just straight up 9's. You can even say "she was like a 10" if you are without other words to describe how crazy hot/amazing/whatever way you are intending the rating the girl was, just as long as you don't let yourself get tricked into believing it and you always remember that NO ONE is perfect.

I can't name a single man or woman in history that could be considered perfect, so how could it be possible that some girl I had the amazing good fortune of meeting is perfect? By god, if I managed to find THE perfect girl, then there could only possibly be one, cause the odds were slim enough as it is, but somehow upwards of 3 guys a day (out of a mere 30,000 men, 1/200,000th the population of the earth) are able to find perfect women. Truly we live in paradise. What greater heaven could there be?

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Hehe, love the last part.

I honestly don't use the scale to decide how to game a girl, I think it's far to static and doesn't have enough variance and it isn't broad enough to cover the range of area it needs to in order to determine how someone thinks about themself. I've met people that given that scale, I would say they consider themselves 10's, but they have areas in which they are highly self conscious, or have issues, so they are maybe 2's in that area, which you need to be aware of and not just dismiss as a little foible, because it can affect their whole personality.

That being said, I still think that it is useful for new guys, just like I tell new guys "the rules", but tell them that every rule can be broken, or at least sufficiently bent. That's also a completely different way in which the guys I'm talking about are using the term "10" though, so that's a different discussion I'd love to have elsewhere.

I saw someone on here make a comment about the rating scale and I think he referenced Mystery, but I could be mistaken. He said something similar to what I had been saying and what I've heard a lot of other guys say, just like Chief said about having just "likes" and "dislikes". He said he used the "red, yellow, green" rating and it's just like any meter that is done in those colours. That to me is brilliant. She's green, then you like her, she's red you don't and if she's yellow, then you'll at least give her a chance to see if there's something interesting to her, or maybe you weren't too attracted, but she turned out to be amazing, so in turn you become attracted.

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http://www.coolmath.com/graphit/index.html

type in 10-10e^(-x)

press the buttom "euler" for e
and the press the button Eval

... should look something like that, haha. No idea how i would put the image up though[/img]

I believe in "The Game" Neil Strauss goes all out and describes some girls as HB11 lol