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Monkey
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 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: Some Thoughts: A Critique of Moderation on PUAF |
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Most of the guys who know anything on this forum know me. My name is Kris, and I am a pick-up artist. My first post here was written Aug 01, 2006. I have 581 posts to date, including this one. There are very few people on this forum who have both the age and the post-count that I do.
I am known for being helpful. I answer questions. For a really long time, I answered the new guys when no one else would. I have also dealt with some of the most difficult topics in pick-up. I have been referred to as a Pick-up Encyclopedia. I like to think that I am one of the most well-respected individuals on this forum.
This is a criticism, guys. I didn't have a chance to post on , so I'm afraid my ideas are going to have to require a topic of their own. I will likely be banned for this. If I am, you can contact me at friggert@hotmail.com. I always browse through my junk-mail box, just in case. I would like to request, however, that should I be banned for posting my opinions here, that you not delete the post itself. Consider it my epitaph.
This is not a criticism of the PMZ. It is not a criticism, even, of [link] It is instead a criticism of the choices made in selecting the forum's moderators, and the course of conversation that has come after.
I agree that this forum requires moderation. I do not believe that the moderators should have been chosen from the member body. It has proven a polarizing factor. As a long-time moderator myself, I know that there are some attitudes that need to be in place for fair moderation to occur. The most important of these is a distance from the topic. As moderators, I believe you have done yourselves a disservice by becoming involved in petty arguments. Better would have been an impartial force of moderators who enforce forum policy, and do little else. Two people could easily handle this, as infractions tend to be few and far between on well-moderated forums.
By selecting members involved in debates, Brad has effectively chosen sides in those debates. As a business move, I can only see this as detrimental to the future of the forum.
Moreover, the moderators chosen seem to be very vocal, argumentative and lacking in tact. With an impartial policy enforcement team, you would have saved yourself from having these associations tagged to your forum. And make no mistake: whatever associations one links to the moderators, one also links to the forum as a whole. Had the forum been run like this when I first arrived, I would have had no compunctions whatever moving over to mASF. Even though they seem to despise noobs, their moderators tend toward impartiality and they blend into the background.
I personally feel that this was poorly executed, and I truly hope that the moderators ascendant grow into their roles. Do keep in mind, this is not a personal attack; I honestly hope the four of you become better moderators in the future. |
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Brad
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I will be locking this thread because the saga is now over. I really don’t see the point of aggravating the situation any further.
I disagree with your view. I think the mods are doing a fine job considering the antagonistic nature of certain individuals.
Irrespective of your doom-and-gloom predictions, the forum is flourishing and will continue to do so. Next year, our goal is to be a dominant force in the PU Community, with refreshing ideas and integration of cutting-edge learning/educational systems… just wait and see!
If you’re unhappy with the forum, it’s direction, or the mods, why continue to post here? |
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Monkey
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There are issues with the forum, but they are not insurmountable. There are people who I do not like here, but there are a lot of people I do like here. This was meant only as a constructive criticism. I believe I've earned the right to criticize when I think something is wrong. You are, of course, free to your own opinion, and I think no less of you because our opinions differ.
I wish that last sentiment, at the least, was returned. I believe I've been a positive force for your forum in the past, Brad. I'll continue to be one, so long as I'm allowed to let people know when I think something is wrong.
And my doom-and-gloom predictions were never about this forum. They were always (and always will be) about the community as a whole if it does not find new ways to grow, ways that do not saturate the field with our knowledge to the point that it becomes useless. |
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Brad
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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Considering recent events, the timing is poor! It’s TIME to let it lie!
I suspect I know what the real ‘problem’ is, perhaps you wont admit it, but it’s probably somewhere along the lines of recognition.
One day, we’ll talk, with my mods… |
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