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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 7:42 am 
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Libido waxes or wanes, including the libido of women, right? When dating a woman, should we let the woman know that we intend to sleep with her before meeting her, or should we intentionally hide our intention or should we be vague? If a girl agrees to meet me but she asks me if I intend to sleep with her, how should I reply? If a girl agrees to meet me but tells me that she will not sleep with me, should I still go to meet her?

My understanding is that, we should not convey that we're going to have sex with a girl before meeting her, unless we're pretty sure that she is willing to have sex with me before meeting me. Before meeting,if a girl asks if I intend to sleep with her, I should indirectly deny my intention. When meeting her, I can try to arouse her and let her emotion make the decision. Is it correct?


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This is the beauty of learning several PUA methods and techniques.

Women have peak ovulation for some 5 to 6 days and the rest of the 28 day cycle (22 to 23 days), most of them don't like to talk, feel or think of sex that much. When a woman is on her peak ovulation and horny as hell, direct game works very well. Go bold and direct when you read the nonverbal signs.

When she isn't that horny, indirect game works very well. It's advisable to raise up her buying temperature first before you go sexual.

If you have very masculine facial and physical attributes and you're dominant enough in your body language and verbal communication style, going aggressively sexual will work 20% of the time. Meanwhile, you'll have to get into nice guy mode around women who are not yet on their peak ovulation period 80% of the time.

If you are effeminate in facial and physical attributes (your testosterone is very low because you've never engaged in highly competitive physical sports or mental activities) and you're not dominant enough in your body language and verbal communication style because you grew up in a household where your mom is the dominant figure, then you'll have to be very careful in going sexual to increase your odds for successful f-closes. You'll have to be your usual nice guy self 80% of the time but when you read the nonverbal signs that she is in heat (peak ovulation), you'll need to shift to bad boy mode to get your dick inside pussies.

The Mystery Method works for a very valid reason and so does direct game. Assess your strongest points and play the game either on the 80% or 20% or play both 80% and 20% to get to 100%.

100% is of course ideal but it's a long shot if you don't practice infield. Reading about these things in the forum or asking lots of questions will not get you laid. Turning your knowledge into hard skills and polishing these to perfection will get you laid.

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A good example of a masculine communication style are Heywood Jablowme's posts. Meanwhile, a good example of a feminine communication style where presumably the mom is the dominant figure during a man's growing years are Kasabi's posts.

The rest of us here will be somewhere in between.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:17 am 
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Your post is very informative, I really appreciate it, but have you answered my questions?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:24 am 
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Regarding theory learning and practice in field, there is an old saying, "sharpening the axe won't interfere with the cutting of firewood." Before I began to learn PUA knowledge, I had been interacting with girls and tried to get them, I had been "practising", but the outcome was far less than satisfactory. What's your take?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:02 pm 
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Your post is very informative, I really appreciate it, but have you answered my questions?
Question No. 1 Libido waxes or wanes, including the libido of women, right?

Answered. Note ovulation cycle discussion.

Question No. 2 When dating a woman, should we let the woman know that we intend to sleep with her before meeting her, or should we intentionally hide our intention or should we be vague?

Answered. Note direct game and peak ovulation versus indirect game and non-peak ovulation days discussion on approaches.

Question No. 3 If a girl agrees to meet me but she asks me if I intend to sleep with her, how should I reply?

Answered. Note concept on reading nonverbal signs to detect peak ovulation or non-peak ovulation.

Question No. 4 If a girl agrees to meet me but tells me that she will not sleep with me, should I still go to meet her?

Answered. Note recommendation on getting both the 80% and 20%.

Question No. 5 My understanding is that, we should not convey that we're going to have sex with a girl before meeting her, unless we're pretty sure that she is willing to have sex with me before meeting me. Before meeting,if a girl asks if I intend to sleep with her, I should indirectly deny my intention. When meeting her, I can try to arouse her and let her emotion make the decision. Is it correct?

Answered. Read discussion again.

My question is do you want a categorical yes and/or no answer to each of your question? If yes, then my answer is that categorical yes or no answers will not make sense because of the numerous variables infield as already discussed.

One big factor is your skill level in reading a woman's body language. If you cannot read her body language properly, you'll miss out on a lot of things. Another big factor is your conversational style.

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Question No. 3 If a girl agrees to meet me but she asks me if I intend to sleep with her, how should I reply?

Answered. Note concept on reading nonverbal signs to detect peak ovulation or non-peak ovulation.

How to read nonverbal signs to detect peak ovulation or non-peak ovulation? I have no idea how to do that.


One big factor is your skill level in reading a woman's body language. If you cannot read her body language properly, you'll miss out on a lot of things. Another big factor is your conversational style.


I find that I don't have the ability in reading a woman's body language. I often resort to verbal language, which I think often defeats me. I think generally girls are reluctant to tell you that she wants to sleep with you even if she wants to, but their body language will tell you, because their body language won't lie. What do you think of it?


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Is this a girl you want to sleep with?

If so, its best not to lie by directly answering with a "No". She already knows the answer, she is probably just testing you. It would probably be best to turn the question around on her by asking "are you a girl worth sleeping with?"


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It would probably be best to turn the question around on her by asking "are you a girl worth sleeping with?"
Brilliant!!!


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Ugh. can you stop with this ovulation shit already. (1) it's hard to tell if a woman is ovulating, and (2) the actual differences in their behaviors are not nearly as large as you lead people to believe.

To the OP: This has happened to me probably 30+ times. I either ignore the comment, laugh it off, or say "of course not, I'm a good boy" or "I'm a virgin" ... it usually doesn't matter. I have REGULARLY talked about sex openly on a first date, had girls say they would never sleep with a guy on the first date and won't sleep with me tonight and they do it anyway. You just have to basically ignore it, be completely unfazed. Many times I have even convinced women to sleep with me on the first date using words and logic, believe it or not. The key is NOT to be sleazy until you are confident that you are at least getting them back to a sex location.

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This has happened to me probably 30+ times. I either ignore the comment, laugh it off, or say "of course not, I'm a good boy" or "I'm a virgin" ...
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Many times I have even convinced women to sleep with me on the first date using words and logic, believe it or not. The key is NOT to be sleazy until you are confident that you are at least getting them back to a sex location.
This is at odds with mystery method. Mystery method tells us never try to convince a girl to sleep with you. It won't work. Instead, we should stimulate her emotions. Are you physically attractive?


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This has happened to me probably 30+ times. I either ignore the comment, laugh it off, or say "of course not, I'm a good boy" or "I'm a virgin" ...
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Many times I have even convinced women to sleep with me on the first date using words and logic, believe it or not. The key is NOT to be sleazy until you are confident that you are at least getting them back to a sex location.
This is at odds with mystery method. Mystery method tells us never try to convince a girl to sleep with you. It won't work. Instead, we should stimulate her emotions. Are you physically attractive?
As a general rule, I probably agree w/mystery method, hence you will notice most of what I responded was consistent with that (I just ignore it, act unfazed, and do NOT get sleazy). When I convince women it is later in the process when I can tell they are willing and just need to be convinced. So I guess more of an LMR approach. I do not use the freeze-out to overcome LMR. It works for some people, but i do much better making them feel comfortable and convincing them. Also, my convincing if it is earlier than that usually talks in general terms about one night stands.

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Ugh. can you stop with this ovulation shit already. (1) it's hard to tell if a woman is ovulating, and (2) the actual differences in their behaviors are not nearly as large as you lead people to believe.

To the OP: This has happened to me probably 30+ times. I either ignore the comment, laugh it off, or say "of course not, I'm a good boy" or "I'm a virgin" ... it usually doesn't matter. I have REGULARLY talked about sex openly on a first date, had girls say they would never sleep with a guy on the first date and won't sleep with me tonight and they do it anyway. You just have to basically ignore it, be completely unfazed. Many times I have even convinced women to sleep with me on the first date using words and logic, believe it or not. The key is NOT to be sleazy until you are confident that you are at least getting them back to a sex location.
Then don't fucking read my posts.

For newbies who are interested in easily identifying down to fuck women, here are some basic scientific resources:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43Grbgupds[/youtube]

http://csom.umn.edu/DirectoriesPM/FileS ... pubid=8239

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Ugh. can you stop with this ovulation shit already. (1) it's hard to tell if a woman is ovulating, and (2) the actual differences in their behaviors are not nearly as large as you lead people to believe.

To the OP: This has happened to me probably 30+ times. I either ignore the comment, laugh it off, or say "of course not, I'm a good boy" or "I'm a virgin" ... it usually doesn't matter. I have REGULARLY talked about sex openly on a first date, had girls say they would never sleep with a guy on the first date and won't sleep with me tonight and they do it anyway. You just have to basically ignore it, be completely unfazed. Many times I have even convinced women to sleep with me on the first date using words and logic, believe it or not. The key is NOT to be sleazy until you are confident that you are at least getting them back to a sex location.
Then don't fucking read my posts.

For newbies who are interested in easily identifying down to fuck women, here are some basic scientific resources:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G43Grbgupds[/youtube]

http://csom.umn.edu/DirectoriesPM/FileS ... pubid=8239

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more like for newbies who want to waste their fucking time thinking that they can gain more than a small advantage by playing the whole ovulation game.

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Btw, everyone should actually read that great study, because it proves my point. if you actually read it. The differences were tiny, and not even consistent with hypothesis except in ONE scenario of attractive women competing against other attractive women. Whoopdy fucking do, converting that scenario into figuring out who is ovulating and turning that into a meaningful increase in seduction percentage? LOL!!!

The actual main result from the study is hidden in the beginning because it hardly proves the point... ovulating women chose 59% sexy clothing vs non ovulating 51% .. ooooh, big fucking difference. They then had to try to slice and dice their data until they could find some thing to prove their hypothesis had any merit.

Don't get me wrong, there is probably something to this, but that something is a small incremental improvement to game, not the be all and end all of seduction like hellhound makes it out to be. It's better to focus on actually getting good at game than wasting time reading shitty studies with tiny localized samples, tons of confounding factor issues, tons of attempts to quantify subjectivity and STILL don't show particularly useful results for any practical purpose of dating or seduction.

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Ugh. can you stop with this ovulation shit already. (1) it's hard to tell if a woman is ovulating, and (2) the actual differences in their behaviors are not nearly as large as you lead people to believe.

To the OP: This has happened to me probably 30+ times. I either ignore the comment, laugh it off, or say "of course not, I'm a good boy" or "I'm a virgin" ... it usually doesn't matter. I have REGULARLY talked about sex openly on a first date, had girls say they would never sleep with a guy on the first date and won't sleep with me tonight and they do it anyway. You just have to basically ignore it, be completely unfazed. Many times I have even convinced women to sleep with me on the first date using words and logic, believe it or not. The key is NOT to be sleazy until you are confident that you are at least getting them back to a sex location.
Yeah right. Sure is a very advanced way to seduce women. I'm a very logical dude and I'm telling you now and newbies around here that convincing women through logic will not get you their pussies.

Try kino escalation, phone sex, and sexting at the right moments.

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