I've been finding it hard to sarge nightclubs two nights in a row. I usually find that I don't get to bed until 4am when I hit up the clubs, and I feel totally drained the next day. I went out on Friday and really only sarged one set, getting to comfort with a girl only to be blown out by one of the obstacles that pulled her away before I number closed.

While I was feeling a little sick on Saturday night, I'd already agreed to sarge with my wing and was, despite being physically tired, in good spirits.

During last week's nightclub sarge I went in super high energy. I think it went pretty well, even though I didn't number close. I found I kept the attention of girls a lot better last week, even thought I ended up over busting one girl too much while going the cocky / funny route.

I've been reading some stuff that says you should move less in sets. I'm not sure why, but I found this didn't work at all on Saturday night. I guess I relate moving less to be more relaxed and laid back. While this might be great for day game, I find the club scene here demands high energy approaches with some big gestures and body language thrown it. I tried going the laid back route Saturday and I found I was blown out of sets seconds after I launched in my opener.

Like I said, I felt positive at the start of the night. It was great to sarge with my wing instead of going solo, and I had number closed before we even got to the club.

I walked into the club and opened with girls going to the bathrooms in packs, and I was blown out immediately. This opener had never failed for me before. I was a bit shaken but undaunted. I followed up with blowouts in three other sets.

I felt a bit frustrated after so many failed attempts, so I just walked up to the dance floor and started dancing to step back and basically "hit the reset button." A few seconds later a HB 8-9 came over and started hardcore griniding with me. She split after about four songs. I didn't let it bother me. I've seen her type before at work, and was expecting it, but it was a nice ego boost after so many crash and burns.

My wing found his ex. He really wanted to hook up with her that night... and I'm pretty sure he did at the end. I was happy for him, but also wanted to see him score with a cold approach. After the grind I got pretty deep into a set with some David D and 26 material. I think it was because, like I said, I had "reset" myself and had gotten my energy levels back up. I felt happy, had good energy, and I guess it showed.

It was at this point that the boyfriend of one of the girls showed up and went directly into psycho mode. Ever seen that episode of Fresh Prince where Will tells Ashley, "just tell the Bully to 'mind ya bisness' and act like you got some crazy tic." Yeah, he acted just like that. I tried to kino escalate with one of the girls after I calmed the AMOG down a bit, but it was no go. I asked her to dance and she said she had to go to the bathroom. She came back and started dancing with her friends. I'm not sure if she had a boyfriend, or she just wasn't into it, or whatever, but I had her laughing and smiling a lot before the AMOG showed.

While it was a pretty small club, I've been bodychecked less during some of the junior hockey games I played. It almost felt like AMOG Paradise, as if there had been an AMOG convention down the street and they all decided to go to the same club. At one point I saw some guy punch a dent into the wall next to a girl's face, while blocking her in between a wall and a table. Apparently this wasn't a problem at the club, as the bouncer seemed unconcerned. Then I opened a set outside and the bouncer came over and AMOGED me, going totally caveman on one of the girls. Yeah, I got AMOGED by a bouncer. If I wasn't so fed up with the place at that point it would have been hilarious. However, given how my night was going, I was ready to split.

We bounced venues and saw a guy that looked like Johhny Soporno on the dance floor dancing with three girls at the same time. I came over to steal one of his girls, and he grabbed her by the hand and gave her the spin move, pulling her away. I laughed this time. This guy had skills and I should have gotten advice from him. I don't think it was Johnny, though. I'm in Eastern Canada, not Toronto. Hey Johnny, looking for an intern / gofer? I'm looking for some temp work in the new year before I go back to uni in Sept and have a buddy in TO...

Anyway, I opened up more sets in the new club, but had the same results. One of the obstacles actually said, "I'm here talking with my friends. You're some complete stranger."

Overall on this night, the girls paid attention to me but look bored. I've cut down my approach anxiety by opening lots of sets, but only have been able to hit the hook point about 10-20% of the time. Most of those times, it's with sets I'm not really interested in but approach for experience.

I guess I've been feeling my game is moving one step forward, two steps back. And, realistically, maybe I should expect this. I don't have a guru, I haven't seen any great PUA's in this city to learn from, but have been slowly putting the pieces together after trial and error.

While last week I was getting more interest after opening sets, I was blowing them out because I wasn't moving on to A3. This week I wasn't even getting out of A1. Maybe it was the bar (more likely it was me) but almost every girl I approached gave me the negative body language (like turning away from me), negative, minimal responses, and generally poor rapport. I'm confused as to why, but I'm pretty sure I wasn't approaching the sets with enough energy. Some people say don't move at all in sets, tat the person who moves least projects that they are dominant. Others say that you have to move, you have to emote. I realize that they're both right. In the club SPAM, you have to have great, high, happy energy. Day time and outside the clubs, it's fine to have that lower, more relaxed in control energy. I know, I know. DUH!

I'm going to switch to 2 day sarges, 1 night sarge a week, because I have been feeling sick and exhausted after three night sarges and 4 am bedtimes in a week. I feel this will help my game overall, because I haven't been day sarging enough anyway.

Thanks for reading. I realize its hard to give me advice when you can't actually see the interaction, but any advice you have would be appreciated.

I might have just been a terrible night, but perhaps you didn't build enough social proof. That's the only reason I can see getting blow out so quickly. Did you stack quickly after your openers?

Yeah, maybe.

It's a mega long post as it is so I left out a lot of details. Some things I did not include.

- Not enough False Time Constraints
- Not using certain DHV's because of previous negative results. (Ex: I used the cube a lot in the past. 2 out of 3 times, on average, it has gone well. The other times I get the, "OMG, some guy used this to try to pick me up" line. I got blown out the other night after breaking out Strawberry Fields)

I know that I have to sarge on and have positive energy NO MATTER WHAT anyone says or does, and that also may be holding me back, as the environment does affect my game. I'm listening to some Ultimate Confidence stuff to up my inner game.

are these places you go regularly?

im pretty lucky where i am, when i was in college i used to promote club nights and shows for bands a few times a month for pocket money, and still do from time to time. so i used to employ a lot of doormen. now as this was and is only once every so often most of them work other clubs around where i go out.
when these guys used to work for me i used to give them whatever they wanted, basically an open bar for redbull/coffee and softdrinks, would order food in etc. now whenever i go out on a nightout, i can garantee 8/10 clubs i go into i'll know the door staff, which is great for cue jumping/hitting the vip etc.
if i get any probs with AMOG's shouting the odds i just ask the bouncers to have a word.

what i mean is, if you go somewhere regularly get friendly with the door and bar staff, get to know one or two of they're names. a little background work/ insider knowladge will go a long way.. its more or less given me an open ticket to sarge in the places i go with no hassle at all

If you're having trouble hooking, your approach game may need some work. If you're being AMOG'd, it's because you appear vulnerable.

How I deal with AMOGs:

AMOG: "Blah blah blah you suck faggot douchebag blah blah"
Me: "Yeah, dude, awesome. So anyway..."

Ignore the AMOGs. If they're doing something you don't like, they have no place in your reality. So forget they even exist. Give them a non-response and move on.

Hey man, I just think it's awesome that you are approaching all those sets. You sound very dedicated. I'm dedicated too, but most of my friends are afc's who don't care to learn pick up. Do you sarge by yourself? I've thought about it but wasn't sure how it would work. In any case man I give you props for your effort and I hope to be in front of that many sets soon.

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Oh and by the way, guys usually don't get AMOGed unless they are percieved as a threat. Just gotta learn to AMOG back.

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Your quote: One of the obstacles actually said, "I'm here talking with my friends. You're some complete stranger."


Next time: And those friends were once complete strangers to you weren't they? Isn't it interesting how we ever make friends with such strict socail programming?

Then to her friend: "Don't you agree?"

then see where it goes, or simply eject. her bad for being close-minded.

Also this response must have come because you were being a bit invasive, if you're finding this happening a lot, it might be more effective to go a little more indirect and as corny as this sounds "over-the shoulder."