I have shortened this as much as possible...

I met an hb8.5 I'll call Marsha in the summer. I took her out on one date which lead to a near f-close. She put me into her LJBF zone because I am too young to date her serious.(I am 2 yrs older than her, but she prefers men 10 yrs older than me). I've kept contact with her and hung out as just friends on many occasions since than. Normally I am great at breaking out of these zones.

Fast Forward to New Years

She texted me at 4 in the morning to wish me a Happy New Year. I made plans to come to her place and share a movie.(we were both sober) When I got there she mixed me a stiff drink and had herself a glass of wine. We chatted for an hour and threw in the movie.(we were watching it in her bed) I started to give her massage and she decided she wanted a full body one this time. When I started to rub her legs, I took her jeans off no problem. She unsnapped her bra and just layed there face down.(NICE) I started to kiss her neck while squeezing her ass. She started to get turned on and rolled over.(my jeans were already off) I continued to kiss her and started rubbing her puss over her thong. She pulled my boxers down and started tugging. I naturally took her thong off and proceeded to turn the heat up. I aimed my shit down and between her legs and tried to push in. Than she said,"wait, you need to put on a condom first o.k." (MMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKKKEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!) is what I was thinking. I had no intention of sleeping with her that day. The only condoms I had were frozen out in my car.(MN weather sucks sometimes) No f-close back to LJBF.

Fast forward to Valentines

Marsha wanted to go out with me on V-day. I had plans to go to a concert for a B day party.(and sarge) She had plans to go to a B day party as well but still wanted to see me. I told her we could do the V day thing on Sunday instead since our plans clashed. She agreed. Later on another HB8.5 texts me. I'll call her Beth. Beth is a Suicide Girl I've been friends with for like 2 years. I've already F closed her. She is single and wants to "hang out" with me. I pick her up and bring her to the concert. I brought her home and F closed. I took her pic in the morning laying in my bed.(a shot from waist up of her tattoos on her back) I bring home Beth and call Marsha to make plans. She gives me the vibe she didn't want to see me today but doesn't actually say it. I went home to sleep off a hangover. I text Marsha when I get up and she tells me she's at a coffeeshop and wants to just stay chill for the night. I text her and say I'm gonna do XX unless you want to still see me today.(trying to remain in frame control) She replies "do that and have fun." I was really upset so I replied with the pic of Beth say "I already did last night."

Now Heres the Kicker

Beth starts texting me asking about my date with Marsha. I tell her it was a no go. Than she tells me I should become her BF and blah blah blah. She said I don't want to hear about any of the skanks you share your bed with in the future though.(Beth thinks I'm a huge player)

So did I blow it with Marsha?
Can I still see Beth without being her BF?
Is there anything more I can do to get back into Marshas pants finally?

Thanks again for reading all this. Sub-Zero

Sub-Zero,

I only had to screw up and not have a condom 1 time and never forgot it again. I swear if I have to pin the wrapper to the inside of my leg I'll have it always & forever. That really sucked, but you know that. You can't change the past!

You've been around the forum for a while and you pretty much know your options. To say it didn't hurt when you messaged Marsha that pic of Beth would be a lie. I wouldn't say you're totally f'd on that one but it's going to hurt for a while. Women don't tend to forget that stuff like men do. You're probably going to have to wait a respectable amount of time before amping it up with Marsha again.

As far as Beth goes she seems like the kind of girl you can control pretty well. Maybe you can slot her as the friend with benefits possibly instead of BF. I think you can heat up the attraction and turn it that way. Bear in mind she's probably trying to put you in the zone because she wants more "comfort" before more sex. Still I get the impression she'd fold to sexual pressure again without more comfort.

Try to slot Beth as a friend with benefits so you have what you want for a while. Go back to being friends with Marsha, keep her in your life, don't try to escalate things for a while. Basically, until she is convinced you're a good guy and not a player, that sort of thing. Then try again! either it'll work or it won't.

Good Luck Sub!

Jon

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dont bluff if you cant back it up man. youre actions are incongruent with your feelings. she had probably already taken notice before you sent the text though.

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Update:

I have talked on the phone to Beth. She is very willing to see me as long as she doesn't have to hear about Marsha or any other HBs as this would hurt her feelings. I like Beth and all, but I feel way to invested in Marsha and that's who I'm more worried about.

Marsha asked me to go out on Sat. She has never asked me this early in the week to do anything with her. She also said she didn't like the pick I sent her. I'm still LJBF but think sending that pic may have helped me out in some sorta powerful demonstration of "I don't need you to get my rocks off kind of a way." I told her I'd think about Sat as she flaked on me on Sunday. What to do now????

It's really up to you at this point.

I mean you can have Beth now if you don't talk about Marsha.

You can keep being friends with Marsha, and while secretly working on gaming her later. Even though she didn't like that photo it's still pre-selection.

You can dump them both and find some new girls!

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As per requested I am making a post on this thread...

With Beth, you can have your cake and eat it too. You do not have to her
BF. As JSmooth said, she is just looking for comfort of you and her having
the "labels" of BF/GF. You can still have the same comfort level not being
BF/GF... just tell her that you don't like having the labels of BF/GF, that society
puts too much importance on "labeling" people. Or some shit. XD

As for Martha, her still wanting to hang out with you and do shit means that
by sending her that picture of Beth, and her saying that she did not like it,
has me thinking that Martha was "jealous" that you had such a hot girl that
you slept with. Social Proof that you can get other girls besides Martha.

This made her jealous that another got you before she did. She is up for
another massage and for you to follow through with the sex.

I would suggest that you do all the shit you did with Martha the first time
that lead up to the massage on the bed again. This time, HAVE A CONDOM
IN YOUR POCKET...

Since she and you were both ready to have sex that one night, she is still
open to having sex with you again. Experience talking on this one... go
get'er tiger... XD

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