There is an HB9 in my gym who I approached maybe 2 weeks ago pretending to be confused and asking questions about an exercise she was doing - that's my usual gym approach method. That interaction didn't go anywhere. Saw her again today in the gym, and made another approach when she got within 6 feet of me (I have a rule where I approach any attractive woman who gets within 6 feet of me).

Again, I played the same routine, acting confused and inquisitive about the particular way she was doing an exercise. She responded positively by giving me a lot to work with in the way of a response. Turns out she is trying to turn pro as a bikini competitor in bodybuilding events. (SIDE NOTE: She mentioned that she's a natural competitor, and I missed a great opportunity to establish a playful vibe by responding - "I'm natural too, although you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at me." - The best lines like that always seem to come to me 5 minutes after the conversation is over, it's very frustrating.)

So we talk for maybe 2-3 minutes, and I go direct by telling her whatever she's doing must be working b/c she looks good. At this point, she asks for my name, gives me hers, offers me a handshake and then says "have a good workout" and just like that, the conversation is over. Normally I would consider a girl asking for my name to be an IOI, but I didn't get that vibe here.

So I'm trying to figure out, should I have A: just said "You seem cool, why don't we hang out sometime to chat some more" to try to get her # then and there or B (and this is the plan I took): bank on the fact I'll see her again in the gym, greet her by her name when I do, make more small talk and hit her with that line then to get the #. The only # I've gotten from my ~17 approaches so far is through plan B as described here. A part of me thinks I should have gone with plan A despite the short conversation length, but I still have some anxiety about getting the hard vs soft rejection that you may get asking for #'s pointblank. Also, I think I need more time to build attraction with this girl through more small talk over a longer time frame (that's usually not an option, but in this venue it is). Thank you for any input you may have.

I don't know that you need to build more attraction with this girl, but if your gut was telling you she wasn't really into it then she probably wasn't. She did eject quite quickly after you told her she looks good. On the other hand she may have been flustered by your comment.

Like you said, you'll be seeing her again so re-enage and see how things seem at that point.

In the mean time meet more women at other venues/places as well.
In general you can subcommunicate this through your tonality and flirtatious manner. When you do this, girls know what's up through their intuition.

Very good post Read I'm not easy to understand it.Actually the matter very much. There are benefits to living it.

Always always just go for the number.

And as you advance that will become always always go for the kiss and so on.

What is there to lose by not doing so?

At least you tried.

gym chicks get hit on all the time though, so it sounds like she responded to her natural defense mechanism. One thing guys don't realize is that chicks get nervous too, they have anxiety when talking to guys they find cute and o sometimes they eject themselves because they no longer know what to say. And/or they are trying to spare themselves a potential awkward moment.

I say walk up to her the next time you see her and just straight say " Hey (hey name), I didn't get your number last time.. here just put it in my phone. " *handing her your phone* (EXPECTING compliance).

Whether it works or not you still need the practice. 17 approaches isn't nearly enough.

When you're at a around a thousand you'll level up like in those RPG games. Experiencing points after every approach. Small amounts after rejections and larger amounts after successful approaches.

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Always ask a question that leads right into your mission.

Gym girls says "thanks." You should respond "Do you drink coffee or eat food?"

She will probably say yes or no about the coffee but everyone eats food. When she says yes to one or both. Great I want to take you to dinner. What's your number?

End of mission. If she says I have a boyfriend! Say "I have a math test." When she asks "What does that mean?" say "We both just said something not to important." If you want follow that with "I'm really busy this month. So your window is very limited."

Good luck!

Thanks for the replies. Yes, I'm starting to learn it's always better to be too bold than too timid, even if you come off creepy. Now, my plan is to take the advice of one of the above posters and greet her by her name next time I see her and just go straight for the #. This could very well set me up for a hard, uncomfortable rejection but that's the price we pay for a shot at high quality women. I just wish I could make it easier on myself sometimes by doing this shit in the moment when the momentum is already built.

At times its better in round 2 when you have a little rapport already. That way she won't go cold. When you get the number don't blow her up. Tell her you are super busy, with X,Y, Z (all high value.) You should be in touch this or that day about your date.

That's all.