~~~ MAKING OUT IN CLUBS IS NOT SOLID GAME ~~~

Excerpted from "Tyler Durden Essentials" book"


You kiss her for a while in the club, get deep rapport and well beyond it, talk about what you'll do together, what she likes to do, she's in a DDB trance for a prolonged period. Then you can leave the club and she'll be yours later.

YES. You obviously have it down. This is the only way that I can think of where the kiss is still OK. This way could work.

Alright, here it is:

This is after two months clubbing experience, and no more. My word on this is not field tested enough to draw concrete conclusions. These are just my impressions at this time, and may change.

OK, here's where I got this from:

My club game was orignally so weak, it was sub-AFC no doubt.

Then, as I improved, I'd start K-closing more regularly. Now in my mind, I thought "a k-close is guaranteed non-flake, because the chick has to justify having kissed you"... This was my strong belief, because in street sarging, when you kiss a chick within 20 minutes, she falls in love with you.

What happened next, though, was that I got a bunch of flakes. I couldn't believe it. I'd never been clubbing before, but I just couldn't believe that chicks would actually flake on a guy who they had such good chemistry with as to make out in under 20 minutes. I was like "wtf is this shit??? These chicks are using me!!"

The idea is this:
- chicks love foreplay
- many chicks love making out with different guys, every weekend

I realized this when talking to one of my pivots. I was talking about how I k-closed these chicks using all this strategy, and she laughed at me.

She was like "hahaha... if you wanna make out with a chick, just go up and make out... kissing a club chick is nothing to brag about... as if you used all this strategy... I make out with different guys every weekend... you know what?? So does x-girl, y-girl, z-girl... you think you're so smart, but I bet these girls won't talk to you the next day... they got what they wanted... the only guys who I'll hookup with down the line if I met them in a club, are the ones who I had a real connection with, and didn't just grope each other like animals the whole night... if I kiss a guy I know it's just a club thing."

I was like, "wtf is this shit?????"

Of course, listening to a chick is usually not good... But in this particular case, what she said conformed to the model of what I'd experienced. It all made perfect sense to me, so I thought I'd field test a non-k-close club game.

So from then on, I used the "hands off the merchandise" line, and refused all k-closes. I focused on first building attraction, and second building rapport.

I started getting girls chasing me, and wondering "who the fuck is this guy who won't let me touch or kiss him???"

They'd chase and chase, and try to #-close me. I was like "holy shit, I had a chick #-close me... wtf is going on here??? I didn't think this was possible..."

And all of them wouldn't flake. They'd love me, and show up on time, and all that shit.

The only flaw with this, is that you pass on many one-night-stand opportunities. Since I am not interested in ONS's with club hoes, this method works perfect.

My theory is that when you k-close, you position yourself into the S-U-B-C-A-T-E-G-O-R-Y of guys that the chick uses as a kissy-face-buddy every weekend.

My theory is that kissing in a club, is not alpha, because so many beta-males are capable of it, and do it regularly. My theory is that it is more alpha to make her want you so bad (and all the other chicks around her), and then tell her that she can't have you unless it's during the daytime, since you aren't interested in little frollicky club hoes. This could come across like you're banging too many chicks already, or that you have standards, or whatever. I dunno, it's still a theory.

The only way is to get into deep rapport and go beyond it. When I k-close now, I go into damage control. All i am thinking is how to frame this as not just a club-thing, and that it does deserve to be continued, I talk about how I don't want to meet, and get her to convince me. Then i talk about how maybe she is right, and we shouldn't let social restrictions dictate that a club hookup isn't a real connection, just because people stereotype it like that.

Again, not thoroughly field tested yet. I'd like you guys to think about it and to give me your thoughts, but not to take it seriously just yet. It needs more testing by somebody with better club game than mine.

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Great Post! There is a lot of truth to this.

It really does depend on what type of relationship you are after. As I tell people anything you want is out there. If you want a relationship as boyfriend/girlfriend it's out there. If you want club makeouts it's there. If you want a single night lay, it's there. Same with 3 some same night lay. It's all possible.

There is just different methods to getting that. Tyler makes a good point on this idea of kiss closing. As a matter of fact I was winging one of my Nashville Lair buddies this weekend. I was opened by this girl and wouldn't kiss her or do anything because I have a GF. She basically made me take her phone number.

Solid Game is actually F-Closing in the meeting location. LOL

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