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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:33 pm 
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I don't kino. I'm almost terrified of it.

When I have done it, it works well, but the approach I used to overcome my AA (The 'just freaking do it!' theory) isn't working. The only times I can muster doing it is after *I* feel somewhat comfortable around a girl.

Help, for the love of all that is holy, someone help! I know this is the biggest thing that's killing me right now!


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I know the 'just freakin do it' idea doesn't always get it done. It's hard because your mindset isn't there for you to do it. That's fine but you will need to work on your inner game some.

I had some concerns about this as well. This is what I was told with a phone consultation with natural - Christiano Jr. from Revolution31.com

"Again, what you are doing is normal. Men are on one side of the spectrum and are masculine. Women are on the other side of the spectrum and are feminine. For them to come in the middle and meet and mate, it's natural. You're not doing anything wrong...you're a man and you have a xxxx and desires. You're attracted to her, and it's a compliment in that way when you hit on her. You have high standards and you happen to like her, she feels special in that way..."

There is nothing wrong with what you are doing. When you do this properly you create a nice easy transition of escalation to touching to kissing. When it's not done right you have those 'awkward' kissing moments. I know you don't want anything to be really 'awkward' in your interaction to be associated with you. The women will appreciate this as well.

Touch early in the interaction and touch often. If she says something funny then touch her arm or something. You can do fun things like spinning them around, or thumb war as well. The more you do it the more subconcious it becomes. :) Hope it helps!

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Here's a snippet of an article I am working on for the new rsdnation.com that is coming out...
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How to Build a Strong Physical Connection in Under 60 Seconds


Most discussions on how to interact with women deal with what to say.

To an extent, what you say is important, but as the common adage goes “90% of communication is nonverbal.”

Just think.

How long have human beings been in existence? 200,000 years or so…

For how many of those years have we been able to communicate verbally? Probably about 3,000…

So for the majority of our existence we have been communicating NONVERBALLY.

But you hear of Don Juan and Casanova swooning women with their words. Realize what these stories actually are… STORIES!

You can’t expect to TALK your way into a girl’s heart.

So how do you build attraction and move things in the right direction without talking?

PHYSICAL TOUCH.

You need to get to a point where you are completely comfortable touching a girl throughout the conversation.

RIGHT OFF THE BAT. You don’t want to be waiting 5-6 minutes into the conversation until the idea pops into your head, “Oooops, I haven’t touched her yet, I better start now.”

Too late.

You need to initiate FROM THE BEGINNING. The second you start talking to the girl you should already be touching her. It’s as easy as tapping her on the shoulder, giving a high five, or shaking their hand.

Have your first impression be of someone who is naturally just a touchy-feely guy.

Once this precedent is set, keep escalating!

Slowly escalate things in the proper direction. You can’t talk with the girl all night, not touching her, and expect to get home and just jump on top of each other and start going at it.

Usually before you sleep with the girl, you more than likely need to kiss her. But before you can kiss her, you’ll probably hug her first.

You want to continually be moving things in the right direction…

Through months of research and arduous experimentation I have developed a steadfast rule that will get you dramatic results. ; )

Don’t worry, it’s easy to remember…

And even easier to do…


The One Minute Rule

Within the first minute of any interaction, you MUST hug the girl!

No questions asked. No scenario where this isn't possible. No situation where it won't lead to a better outcome.

"But she is with some guy, it might be her boyfriend."
-Doesn't matter. You can still hug the girl, and at least you will find out early in the interaction if she is taken.

"Everyone is looking, and she might get weirded out."
-Girls are never weirded out by hugs. They love hugs!!!

"I need a reason to hug the girl."
-Simple qualification. "Oh you came out tonight?!? Give me a hug for coming out tonight!!!"

"Aren't you trying to be indirect? Neg the target? Befriend the group?"
-Whatever, hug the whole group, and forget about indirect game...


The One Minute Rule


Hugging a girl early in set conveys so many strong qualities about yourself:

Confidence
Dominance
Assertiveness
Comfortable in intimate situations with females
Friendliness
Sexuality

It portrays that you take what you want.

That you have integrity. You are not held back by what others think of you and social norms. You have your own agenda, and are able to communicate from your core.

It conveys that you are passionate, that you are comfortable with sex. You know what you are doing and have been there before.

You are putting your balls on the line and LEADING which allows her to open up and not be worried about being judged.


The one minute rule will jumpstart your interactions, and help overcome some of the most common pitfalls:


RUNNING OUT OF THINGS TO SAY

You don't need to worry as much about what you say because it will automatically be sexually charged. The weather is way more interesting when you are holding onto her hips.


NOT BUILDING ENOUGH ATTRACTION

By getting physical early, you convey yourself as a sexual being. It shows you are more assertive and confident in yourself and how you interact with others. You take what you want and aren’t held back by social constraints.

These are all VERY attractive qualities.


INABILITY TO CLOSE

Since you have a higher level of attraction it expedites the process of closing. She will be in a better mood/state and more willing to give you her number/venue change/makeout...

By setting the groundwork early that you are a physical guy, it greases the gears, making every other physical barrier easier to cross i.e. kissing, sexing.

Also, escalating quickly is a way to “test the waters.” You have a better understanding of where the girl is at in the interaction. Try to go for the hug or kiss and see if she is compliant. You might be further along in the interaction than you think, and you can stop “gaming” and just get out of the club!

REMEMBER…

Within the first minute of any interaction, you MUST hug the girl!

Are you still having trouble wrapping your head around the idea that girls actually APPRECIATE it when you get physical? That they aren’t going to get mad at you?

Realize this…

You are more likely to get blown out from NOT escalating than OVER escalating.

Seems counter intuitive right?

Guys are afraid to dive in and get physical because they think the girl is going to slap them or run away. But realize that by not moving things forward, you are shooting yourself in the foot.

The interaction is bound to stale out because she will slowly realize that you are a chode, afraid to lead and take the next step.

There is usually only a small window for when it is right to kiss the girl, or isolate her, and if you miss it… You are done son!!!

So get comfortable pushing the interaction, and go screw it up a couple of times. At some point you will realize that you can get physical way earlier than you ever thought possible.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:34 pm 
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I wrote something about that recently. Look at the last link in my sig there.

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Okay.

I didn't get a chance to read past the 2nd post before I went out tonight, but I #closed a chick tonight. I could've k-closed, but I KNEW I was past the point of liquid courage and well into drunk asshole stage, so I settled for her # and departed.

She's a massage therapist. I intend to call her tomorrow, and schedule an appointment for later that day, and ask if she'd give me a 'discount' if I returned her favor. She seemed to be game for that idea at the time, so I'm going to roll with it.

Mind you, I'm still a little inebriated as I type.

With this Liquid Courage+, I was able to properly escalate kino without feeling or seeming like a douche rocket. However, I think I shot myself in the foot by getting a little too drunk, which is ok, only because I learned that what I was doing (kino) was natural and welcome to women.

(I'm still shooting for that massage. If she asks, "I was drunk. Don't remember, sorry." And work from there.)

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Also, I am eating cold mashed potatoes with bare hands.


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Brad-, that's a great article.


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Okay.

I didn't get a chance to read past the 2nd post before I went out tonight, but I #closed a chick tonight. I could've k-closed, but I KNEW I was past the point of liquid courage and well into drunk asshole stage, so I settled for her # and departed.
We've all been there.
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She's a massage therapist. I intend to call her tomorrow, and schedule an appointment for later that day, and ask if she'd give me a 'discount' if I returned her favor. She seemed to be game for that idea at the time, so I'm going to roll with it.
Make sure she understands what you're doing here.
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Mind you, I'm still a little inebriated as I type.

With this Liquid Courage+, I was able to properly escalate kino without feeling or seeming like a douche rocket. However, I think I shot myself in the foot by getting a little too drunk, which is ok, only because I learned that what I was doing (kino) was natural and welcome to women.
Douche rocket... I've gotta remember that one. Also, yes, kino is fun and good.
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(I'm still shooting for that massage. If she asks, "I was drunk. Don't remember, sorry." And work from there.)

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Also, I am eating cold mashed potatoes with bare hands.
Be sure to wash your hands before you go see her.

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Brad-:

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