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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: How to become a human lie detector! Reply with quote

The Fed's use this technology to detect whether or not someone is lying about something. I found this video on [link] and it was very interesting. It was about Eye Pattern Movements when lying. I'm gonna show you my cheap drawing that I made up on Paint.



(NOTE: If you don't see the image for some odd reason, hover mouse over it and right click it, then select Show Picture!)

VC = Visual Created. If I would ask you to think about what the statue of liberty would look like with no close. Your eyes would move to the upper right.

AC = Auditory Created. If I would ask you how would the liberty sing like.Your eye movement would be going to the middle right (to the right).

K = Kinsethic. If I would ask you how would walking on the sand feel. Your eye would look at the lower right corner. Kinesethic means bringing up feelings and sensations through imaginating doing something.

VR = Visual Remembered. If I would ask you remember the last time you had your recent birthday. Your eyes will look to the upper left, because you're remembering the event.

AR = Auditory Remembered. If I would ask you to remember what the song of Aerosmith sounded like. Your eyes will move to the left because you're remembering the song.

AD -> Auditory Digital. If I would ask you what is between A through Z. Your eyes will move to the bottom left. You'll have a inner conversation in your mind and that's why it's called Auditory Digital.

Say you ask someone these questions and they're eye movements match up and are aligned with the patterns. This would mean that they are cordiated. If they move in the opposite then they're eye patterns will be the exact opposite meaning that they are not cordiated.

Once you found out their patterns and whether they're cordiated or not. You can ask them simple questions like, "If I suspected you of lying, where where you yesterday around three pm?" If they're eye pattern matches then they're visually remembering the event.

Or you can ask them, "Tell me something either true or a lie about something that happened to you in the past, but don't tell me whether it is true or not. Ready?"
have them tell you what it is and if their eyes are in VC or AC then they're creating it up. If they're in VR or AR then they're telling the truth.

You can goto [link] for more information. Have fun with this and use my Lie Detection Routine. I gave a brief sample but there's more to it!


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NLP teaches the same techniques, very helpful if you can get them down.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

very cool indeed.

This is a great way to open a single set too. nice knowledge to have, and a good routine.


thanks man
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice!

What's the URL to the video on youtube?
I'd like to check it out Smile.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the video that's on YouTube.com



You guys are right, it's a awesome way to do a routine. check out my "Are you lying" Routine : [link]
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very intresting...excellent post man.

Also one note to add to it. Peoples eyes tend to dialate when they lie. I cant remember where or when i have heard this but combining the above post, understanding tonality, and studying body language can really tell you soo much more then a persons words.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remember these aren't definite. It all depends on how people access the information.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hobbit wrote:
Just remember these aren't definite. It all depends on how people access the information.


the guy says that you get around that by calibrating it first. you ask questions you know the answer to first.


ask a girl how often she masturbates , haha, that should be interesting
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this stuff right here. Here about it in psych a lot. excellent post.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Props up Stealth, I was just looking for that. And yes, as he mentions in the video, the cues are dependent on which hemisphere in your brain is dominant.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a good way to practice this stuff is to watch people's eye
accessing in movies and tv shows and have a diagram handy.

Granted, they're "acting", but it's a good way to get practice
picking up on the eye movements.

I'm going to print out a diagram and try to practice watching
some soap operas. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gravesRR7 wrote:
Hobbit wrote:
Just remember these aren't definite. It all depends on how people access the information.


the guy says that you get around that by calibrating it first. you ask questions you know the answer to first.


ask a girl how often she masturbates , haha, that should be interesting


No I mean I've been doing this for a fairly long time. If someone drives a pick up truck, but when you ask them about it they create an image of their truck instead of remembering an image of the truck, the eyes don't mean he is lying. This example illustrates how sometimes they will be telling you a truth but it appears as a lie.

I use these cues all the time. Just wanted to let someone reading this thread that just because their eyes go to the left (or some people the right) doesn't mean that they are lying. One of my best friends eyes go an equal number of left and right on true statements, its just how he "remembers" what he is saying.

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Granted, they're "acting", but it's a good way to get practice
picking up on the eye movements.


You'll notice that the good actors eyes look like their telling the truth. It's because they've put them self into that character.
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