Ok, I want to go on a date with some women but I also want them to pay their own way. Does anyone have some smooth lines or techniques to accomplish this without insulting them? I also feel that I'm at a disadvantage with this because I dress extremely nice and actually have a decent amount of money saved up for someone my age, so I feel the expectations are higher for me to pay.

Also, I know many guys can get the girl to pay for them as well. How do you guys do this? Is it just good game so the girl really wants to hang out with you, and you say you don't have any money?

make it clear you aint gonna buy their drinks all night be upfront about it , if they really like they wont take you for all your money. thats a gold digger, if they want you to buy them drinks all night chances are they wont sleep with you anyway. the only reason they will do it is if you let them get away with it

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Im gonna tell you what i do. One of my friends asked me the same question, he followed my instructions and he was so excited with the success that he called me to meet up with them at the bar they were chilling at... so:
No need to tell them upfront that you are not paying for her stuff. Actually, you should pay... BUT charge back... with interest!!!
When i go out for dinner with a girl and the check comes, i use this line (my own material):
"I got no cash on me, so let me get this on my card... you got the drinks latter!". If she says "ok", ITS ON! You know she wants to spend more time with you, AND she will pay the drinks... HOW COOL IS THAT . If she starts "oh no... bla bla bla" ... no problem... call the waitress and ask "innocently" if they can split the tab. Now, dont be affraid of telling her to get you a drink. In your case, not to be an ass, go like this "what do you usually drink?!... Uhmm... not my thing but well, make it 2 then, i got to go use the bathroom realy quick". This is kind of a shit test... see if she passes. Then just play around with the fact that she is paying you drinks. Role play as if she is your sugar moma or servent! Tell her she has bad taste for drinks and tell her to show you another drink. Pretend its normal for girls to pay you drinks so she doesnt feel awkward.
Another line i use when they ask me for a drink is this: "i only pay drinks to girls who pay back with sexual favors!" (wink and SMILE)... if she gives u a nasty look, quickly respond "so the next round better be on you or you will owe me big time!".
Or if you guys plan on going for dinner, tell her to think about a good icecream place to take YOU to... now she is in charge... she is supposed to pay YOU! Change roles! Dont be affraid of doing it! If she acts rude, then she might just not be a person you want to hang out with too oftern.

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that's an awful lot of politics and game-playing to get out of paying.

jesus, it shouldn't have to come to that......

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Honestly dude just grow some balls and speak up. I'll usually pay for the girl the first time only if they suggest they pay or at least reach for their wallet when the bill comes. If they sit there all innocent assuming I'm going to pay I instantly ask them. " you have money right?" and has the bull split. This never happens to them and I'm sure they'll respect u for it.. However I will pay at the next location that same night. They just have to learn that lesson

I respect what you are saying, but honestly, i dont go out with a girl to teach her a lesson... we are talking about pick up. Im talking about turning the tables and using it to your own advantage. Im pretty sure they will respect you after throwing a "you have money right?", but its not the kind of respect i look foward to. There is the kind of respect you get from being some1 they admire and they enjoy your company... and there is the kind of respect you get from people cause they are afraid of you, or because you dont make them feel good with themselves (or cause they are afraid of your reaction if they do something that you wont like) which makes them behave in a different way just not to piss you off. If they feel that you think they are playing you, it will build disconfort. That might even kill the chances of getting her into your bed.
Its just like went i hear a parent say: "my kid would never do that cause he knows i would beat the shit out of him!" ... and i ask myself: is this the kind of respect you want your son to have for you?! behaving well cause they are afraid of retaliation? or would you prefer knowing he wouldnt do something stupid cause he know you would be desapointed and hurt?
I dont want to get off-topic so im gonna stop here... OBJECTIVE: getting laid -> if telling her that you are not paying for her stuff will help you get laid, then go for it![/quote]

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To Mark 2.0 again... my objective with that "game-playing" is not to get out of paying... is to make your money worth it... and to get your money back by getting her to pay you!
Put it this way:
SCENARIO 1: you go out for lunch with a friend ... you split a $50 tab. Later you go for dinner with that same person... you split another $50 tab. You paid $50 total for lunch and dinner.
SCENARIO 2: you go out for lunch with a friend ... you pay for it ALL $50 tab. Later you go for dinner with that same person... your friend pays for it ALL $50 tab. You paid $50 total for lunch and dinner.

You spend the same amount of money on both scenarios, but they are different. Which one would you prefer? I personaly think that scenario 2 show a greater deal of respect, confort, trust, etc... but maybe im wrong!

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What i do is right before the place i say

1. "so were going to bla bla right? Ok cool. Anyways id pay for our meal if we're a couple but im glad that we are happy being friends cuz were going dutch."

Also it also helps having your first date at a casual place like subway or mcdonalds because what i do is if your in a line i just say "no go ahead you go first". Shell go first and pay for her shit, if she verbally asks you to pay for her shit, go back to step 1."

If she says she doenst have money then go pay for it, but by that time your gold digger radar should be on high alert.

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My 2 best fun games to get her to pay

1. Flip a coin for it - whoever loses gets the whole bill (winner gets the next one), OR if she doesn't want to be adventurous, just split it.

2. Style's 5 lies game, loser pays, winner gets next one, or if she doesn't want to play, split it.

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i don't take girls on expensive dates .. i take them out for a coffee or going to the cinema... i probably lose 3 or 5 $ but hey who cares. i don't spend much $ on woman at all... you are better off cooking for her at your home - this way you have isolated her and it solves all logistic problems. your also already home so you if she doesn't want to fuck it's fine ... you are at home anyway - it's not like you had to travel for an hour to get somewhere.

cooking is cheap also ... maybe 5 $ ... 10 $ and you even have leftovers.

most time im broke and woman don't seem to care.
if i pay something for her i always tell her i normally never pay for other woman , makes her feel special.

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ya the 5 question game is fun iv played it a few times.

my thing is i pay once or twice and they pay once or twice its a give and take because like was previously posted if shes getting you to pay all night shes playing your dumb ass and is just interested in free drinks.

some times youv got to be direct... grow some balls and telling her how its is like... "I dont normaly buy the first round so how about this you buy the first round ill buy the next thats fair right your a fair person right?" palyfuly smile and/or wink... or you can be even more direct than that like... "well i dont normaly pay for the ladys drinks untill i get to know them a lot better so how about you buy for a little while while we talk then ill start buy"smile and/or wink about it and others indirect... such as the games ryan posted or make up a few silly ones of your own like one of my favs i seen on G4 get an empy beer bottle and the cap bent in half to fit in the bottle lossly half in half out see if they can blow it in to the bottle they will never be able to then you come in with a straw (you never told them they couldnt use a straw ) and blow it in it works every time.

but its not being an a-hole its getting to better know if this person is worth hanging out with or not if you are buying all night shes gust munipulating your ass for the drinks it happens to the nice guys all the time

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I didn't bother reading all of the long replies because I don't think it should be that complicated. But if this was already mentioned, kudos. A real easy way to do this is a two location date. Pay for one, have her take the next.
For example I like to take girls kayaking as a first date, then off to lunch/dinner after.
I'll pull out my wallet "I'll pay for kayaking, you cover lunch/dinner."
I never really run into problems when I propose it like that, and if done right, she'll be more than happy to contribute to the date.

Danny Boy

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I'm always looking to sarge with new people...hit me up if you are in the Orange County/Los Angeles area.

Over here...if we meet at a bar...I get a round, she gets a round then I get a round. And on it goes...


Seems to work!

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HI 5 to superunknown88... Thats exectly what I suggested on my first post but I I usually work out a deal between dinner and bar. I just find very helpful insted terms of game to have a girl getting you drinks. Lots to play around with!

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