It doesn't have to be large. I recommend starting off by getting a right hand man who looks up to you, but will call you on bullshit and who's values line up with yours.

From there you can add a few people, but I'm not talking about a loose network of associates. I'm talking more like a gang, and you are the gang leader. When it starts to become bigger the ties get looser and you have to manage it to keep it from falling apart. Because it will.

King, General, Alpha Male. What ever you want to call it. You need to place yourself into a position of leadership with people backing you.

This isn't about being co-operative. This is about being a leader.

A group of wignmen PUA's isn't a great place to start because in that sort of circle you have to be co-operative since the others at least view themselves on the same level as you. When one guy starts displaying dominating behavior the others start doing it as well and things become a real mess.

I suggest by simply "picking up" a guy on the streets that looks ok, and isn't into all of the pickup stuff. Of course you don't do romantic stuff, but the comfort building and leading pacing reality thing is all the same. Get his number then go hang out with him doing shit you like without asking his opinion on the venues or plans. Go get something to eat at a bar. While you're there (or walking down the street, or just out in general) do some basic shit like getting a number or two in front of him. He'll think your a god among men and idolize you. Or he'll become envious/jealous. Then you of course cut the tie and find someone else.

It's good for you to have people looking up to you and respecting you.

After you solidify the status and "relationship" between you two for about a month you can then add someone else. Don't add people too quickly either.

If you are already a part of a social group then attempting to take it over will destroy it so if you aren't the leader and you don't like your place then you just have to deal with it, or be willing to break it up.

You'll create factions in the group when you begin to take a larger role in it. If you're sorta heartless then go ahead and see who you can claim out of it then go forth doing your own thing.

Like I said though. I recommend just starting fresh.

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This is what I live for.

What the hell is this sociopath rant about ?

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Sociopath was the first thing I thought when I read this earlier but I didn't want the OP to think I was picking on him after one of his previous posts.

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no

I never said you don't have to care about your people. Obviously you should care...they're your friends. I thought that went without mentioning. The point is you need to become a leader for real.

The post wasn't about how to specifically be a leader.

That's interesting though that you all equate leadership to being a sociopath. All I do is apply a few game principles toward building social circles. Is it possible that you all think game is being a sociopath deep down?

Cold approach, setting the time and plan for us to go out and enjoy life.

It's the same concept. When I set up dates with girls I don't ask them where they want to go. I tell her where to meet me.

Could one of you specifically elaborate on the sociopath portions of the post? I don't want a guy going out being a sociopath.

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This is what I live for.

And then...You recognize the fact that these people are supposed to be your friends. Friends don't cut each other loose for position or desire to be idolized by them, but a sociopath would.

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Thanks for that Jack.

So yes as social circles become larger you do have to put in systems in order to maintain them. It's sort of like you begin having more responsibility. Because your the linchpin of the group. The moment you stop paying attention to it, it collapses the other people don't just socialize among themselves they end up going separate ways.

This actually frustrated me for a while. Because I like to take time away from people so I can study and train and evolve to a new level, but when I did the others in the group stopped getting together as well. And when it get's larger you have even more to pay attention to.

So I got some professional social circle training. Gambler offers a nice course. and I saw the holes and how to fix them. But, this isn't a post about all of that.

You don't have to be co-operative to be a leader. Strong leaders don't lead by committee. That's just my preference though. You may like a different sort of all inclusive leadership style.

But that doesn't mean you don't listen to others... You see I didn't want to make this post about "how to be an effective leader" Or "how to lead your friends"

So all of the gaps you guys fill in yourselves from your own perspectives.

The main point is to start a social circle that belongs to you. You can call it what you want. It's yours though. You don't have to view the people in the social circle you create as equal to you in the social hierarchy of your social circle. You're the fucking main man. You run that shit. It'll fall apart without you.

It's good to have them knowing their places, looking up to you, respecting you, and following you.

Or you can design it to be however else you feel. This isn't a leadership post.

There are times where you do want co-operative social circles. This is not what I'm talking about here.

This is your gang. Your crew. Your friends. Your hommies. And, you run the show.

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This is what I live for.

I'm spotting all sorts of wrong here. I've been in the military, been to leadership school, and it's an authoritative organization and they wouldn't even say that strong leaders don't lead by committee. No friend should have to bend to the will of another friend. Everything you say seems ego driven and at the end of the day doesn't seem to have a legitimate point other than creating a way of alienating people.

I questioned you earlier about your "closing" women. Now I'm wondering about your social aptitude. I don't know you in real life, but either you're not too good at putting your thinking into words where it makes logical social sense, have lots of ideas of how to make a better life but haven't tried to put them into practice yourself, a sociopath, or socially unaware. I hope it's that you have a hard time explaining yourself because how you explain yourself, it would make me feel sorry for you or afraid of you.

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So you don't like to make plans, and you like to decide things by asking others?

Here a wealthy deca-millionaire with a wife and kids agrees with me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ6rBvEi_A4

"You can't be a leader if you're waiting for someone else to lead."

Another interesting thing he said. "When the whole world is trying to sell you on you being a bad guy, you gotta sit there and be sold on "it doesn't matter if I'm a good guy""

That's hilarious. It's for me not to say something that you'll take offense to. So please don't I'm not talking about you right now. I'm sure you're a great guy I'm going to talk about the principle at hand right now.

Leading from behind vs leading from the front.

When you step away from this bubble here and enter the real world interacting with people...If you have two people in a space and they want to do different things, there is generally not a rational argument based on facts and math to determine which activity they choose. You know this. It's a cognitive bias. You're a professional in psychology...

The more persuasive and stronger willed person chooses the activity, and if they are empathetic they'll allow the other person's activity some other time. This is natural and does not make you a sociopath. How am I honestly suppose to sit here and read idealistic stuff like that and take you seriously?

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Picture my quote by the season... "Limits don't exist if you don't give them reason."

This is what I live for.

Wow. You realize that this really isn't all that great of an example, right? Do you realize that most politicians fit into the category of a sociopath?
I'm not sure why you take this as the truth. The real world actually says otherwise. People have jobs and are thrust into leadership by promotion or by example. There are people that are naturally followed. Even if you look at your example, it's not from someone that just runs around looking to start a "gang" to have people view him as a leader. He actually has people that he pays to follow him.

I'm not sure if you understand the stuff you're trying to rationalize, but we're walking away from pickup...I'll leave you to believe what you want and I hope you reach your goals.

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We'll here he talks about family and friends. And so other's aren't confused the guy talking is not a politician. He's a deca-millionaire who has a wife who's been with him for a long time, and two daughters. He talks about being the leader in his household as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NASj2fl6pMg

Be the boss.

This is in the general section. This is also a major skill in pickup.

Being comfortable in leadership positions as Vin Dicarlo says in his attraction formula thing.

You need to train your leadership and boss skills. It's a requirement in pickup. Getting a few numbers in front of him earns his respects and presents you as an authority in his eyes which will give him incentives to listen to you. I shared how I gained respect using one of the basic skills we all share here. We all know getting a number really isn't shit to write home about, but most guys don't live in our world and it's something extremely impressive. Especially when you're able to do it with any sort of consistency. Using pick-up to solidify respect seems like a great way to break the walls down between areas of your life, and allow them to feedback loop into each other. What I mean is, you do pick-up you earn respect from your follower. The respect and leadership you use feeds back into your personality which then boosts your confidence even more when you do pick-up. (Not to say that you should need a confidence boost.)

If you really want to drop his jaw, kiss a chick in a club.

So boss up. Go find you some people to be the boss of.

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This is what I live for.

Bullshit. The women that I go out could care less about my leadership or boss skills. The only thing that they care about that is remotely close to what you're saying is that I can handle them.

I couldn't give two shits about being a boss outside of anyone that was paid to work for me. I've had people work for me and it didn't do anything for pickup. What you are talking is validation seeking behavior. You want to be recognized, have people envious of you, and you are seeking respect just because you can get a girl. Why not just do it because you enjoy it and not because you have something to prove? Kissing a girl in front of a guy doesn't make you a boss/leader. You're just a guy that's kissed a girl. Your dad did it. It's nothing special.

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I know kissing a girl in a club is nothing special. That's why I laughed at how impressed guys become from something so ridiculously easy, and virtually meaningless. They don't know that though. To them you just walked on water.

That's why I added the part about not needing a confidence boost because I could tell an argument about validation seeking behavior was brewing.

You are not seeking validation by displaying basic pick-up skills. You're simply giving these guys an initial incentive to follow you.

Leading people who aren't paid to do what you say requires more finesse. They lack incentives, incentive-causes, and things like fear of loss (losing the job) etc. Etc.

You also don't want to create envy. That's why you cut those guys out of your circle. That shit is poison.

And then you show genuine care for your followers. A great leader has to show strength and warmth. A balance of the two because too much strength causes you to become cold and disconnected from them (think dictators), and too much warmth get's you walked all over (think parents with no rules who's small children curse them out in public).

This is exactly how you should handle your women. A balance of strength and warmth. And properly managing your social circle teaches invaluable skills that bleed over into managing relationships, dating, and leading a family.

Even though it's not about boosting your ego and making you feel like THE MAN. That's exactly what you are so own it. Boss up.

Dear reader: your homework assignment is to find a fresh right hand man and begin building your crew.

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I am a sociopath and this looks dumb...

You are telling people to start a gang, basically. But pickup is easier alone.

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