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Mr. Amador
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 5:27 am    Post subject: Gaming Strippers Reply with quote

Im going out with some friends to this really small strip joint, not many girls.

Its kind of a classy place so there is a small chance of bringing some girls with us (social proof?).

Anyway, the idea is to game some of the dancers.

One of my buddies has already been at the place, and he told me that girls ussually are very "friendly" and they hug or something the costumers just as they enter the place (maybe to keep control, if the girls touch you first you lose initiative)

My idea is to right away using the hands off routine...and to start from there.

Any suggestions or ideas?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well act like you've been to strip joints and your not really all that interested then try to neg them and throw some kino in it as well.
It works but tip them a dollar or two.. Just don't give ask them for a lapped dance... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok strippers aren't my thing, but here are my tips from my experiences with strippers.

#1 rule... remember they are paid to make you think they are sexually interested in you, thats thier job, and it makes calibration very tricky.

Ok to get with a stripper you need to switch off thier stripper mode, and turn on thier real person mode... you'll notice a body language difference and the biggest tell is the eyes.

The more experienced a stripper is that harder it is to 'turn' them... New strippers are fairly easy... one who has been at it for a couple years or more, can be ridiculously hard.


Ok basically there are only to ways I'll go about gaming strippers.

#1 at my X girlfriends work. I have an X who is a stripper and we are still on very good terms (She Pivots me sometimes)... it's one thing to bring a couple girls with you for social proof, it's another thing when one of the girls sees you and runs over to you naked and grab on you for a big hug... Also I'll usually ask her if there are any cute girls who are new(ish) to make my selection process easier.

#2 I have a buddy who is loaded, and loves the clubs. When I go with him, he pays for everything and spends enough that it definately creates social proof. Also this way I'll ask the VIP manager to bring me a cute girl who hasn't been on the job long...


So pretty much unless your going to spend ALOT (like over 10k), try to keep the spending very minimal. Work social proof when possible, be careful with your calibration, and get them to turn off the stripper robot and be the real them... when you get to the point were they give you thier real name, your money and should be able to f-close.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: My modest experience Reply with quote

I've closed 3. Not very impressive. Just enough to lure me back in a few times a month. In all three instances I bombarded them with questions. Dumb shit. "Do you want to watch me do pushups? I can do ten." "Where did you get those shoes? I broke the heel on mine." "Need a light?" (It's shaped like a black dick) "Graduation gift from my grandmother." Whatever comes up, boom, boom, boom. The rest is fuzzy. I got one to start talking about sex. She was aggressive, but something had to have ignited her. If could maintain a flow of consciousness it was good and somehow it steered it into something. You're a mark to them. Flip it upsidedown. I never bought a dance, just a few drinks. I'm here to determine the anatomy of those situations. How much luck was invloved?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doctor those are some good tips. I'm heading to a strip club with my buddy in Vegas next week. Gotta try my luck with the strippers. Here is my game plan.

1: Talk to the DJ and Bouncer for a couple minutes just to get familiar with them, information, and use that to in the field.
2: Have canned opener (who lies more, guys or girls)
3: Neg, neg, neg, neg. If she initates kino tell her "hands off the merchandise" or "you havent gotten me drunk enough yet"
4: Continue to disarm the "stripper" bring out the person (how long have you been doing this)

Would it be effective to try the cube? Also if you think anything else should be added any help would be much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qwesence1 wrote:
Well act like you've been to strip joints and your not really all that interested then try to neg them and throw some kino in it as well.
It works but tip them a dollar or two.. Just don't give ask them for a lapped dance... Laughing

Hell no.

HELL NO.

Don't touch the girls. Don't give them money. If you give them money, you're a customer. They have no respect for customers. The doc makes very good points. Get her out of stripper mode and talk to her like a normal person, ask her what she does for fun outside the club and whatnot. They'll put their arms around you and try to sell you a private dance. Look at her arm, look her in the eyes, and tease her. Tell her you're not that easy, whatever. Just have fun.

I want to point out that most of the advice I give on here is well founded and from personal experience, but I have never gamed a stripper so this is pretty much just what I've heard. There is a lot of good material on gaming them out there if you look for it though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I watches "Pick up artist Season 1" a few hours ago. Episode 7 is about gaming strippers. More or less what mystery said was...

1. Go there and act like you ain't there for the strippers. Say that you know the DJ, owner, bartender, some excuse for being there and not being intressed in the strippers

2. As The doc said. Bring out the real her. Make her remove the stripperperson and become the girl who is behind the mask. When she kinos you, tell her to keep her hands of the merchandise, or treat her like a normal girl and say "you haven't even bought me a drink before you start to touch me"?/"I don't do these kind of stuff and the first date"

3. She is hired to be sexy, to make you pay her. As everywhere the PUA needs to do everything that the AFC does not. AFC goes in and gets intressed/horny in the girls, then gives them money. These are the things you can not do.

"Mystery": In order to instantly attract an exotic dancer you need to be qualified for one, if you can convey her that you have already been with an exotic dancer in the past you are preselected. What are you going to convey is DHV spikes, up the bazzzooo. I don't want to be marked as a customer, i go in and have a reason to be there. I know the DJ etc.

Mystery: You can't trust any kino that is going on in there, becuase they are hired to kino you. If she wants to sit in your lap, tell her "hey hey, I am no in that frame of mind yet, speedracer, grab a seat" Then stack to your material.

This is what he say in the Pick up artist Season 1 episode 7 of Pick up artist. I guess that more or less explains all of his views on the matter
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont forget, a lot of these girls have other part time jobs. The one I played the longest was a real estate agent. Get them to talk about their real work and your gold. Ah...memories of thigh high boots....Smile

Oh and dont buy the "im in school line."
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Doctor wrote:



So pretty much unless your going to spend ALOT (like over 10k), try to keep the spending very minimal.


ok, how in the HELL do u spend 10 grand at a strip club!?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By not having a life, I'd imagine. I could go out and throw around ten grand in a bar or a mall or a nightclub or restaurant and close with at least ten girls specifically from that, and that's a conservative number. If I wanted to use money to get laid, why the HELL would I take it to a strip club lol? I'd have better odds at a table in Vegas, then at least maybe I'd win some back.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 grand is enough to get 100 people wasted, and still have money left over...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. I mean, you got ten thousand bucks and you REALLY wanna look like a badass, walk into a really popular bar and yell "Next round's on me!" You'll still get out with most of your cash and you're everybody's hero.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why would you specifically go for strippers in the first place?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stripper gamer can be really hard because it throughs everything out of wack. You can trust IOI, Kino or anything, they are paid to do those things. The trick is to not be a customer, DHV and neg hard core.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DTM wrote:

ok, how in the HELL do u spend 10 grand at a strip club!?
I was wondering the same thing as well. The only thing I can think of is at a high end one and even then I wonder.


Goldeneye wrote:
By not having a life, I'd imagine. I could go out and throw around ten grand in a bar or a mall or a nightclub or restaurant and close with at least ten girls specifically from that, and that's a conservative number. If I wanted to use money to get laid, why the HELL would I take it to a strip club lol? I'd have better odds at a table in Vegas, then at least maybe I'd win some back.
I know two malls that are semi close to me where you could drop 10 grand easy within one day. But they are high end fashion malls full of designer labels.
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