So I know that I've been in the friend zone of this girl for a while, and about a week ago I decided to outright aggressively try to get out of it. We've been texting a lot, sadly I haven't been able to meet her much in person. Anyway, I've managed to turn nearly every conversation sexual somehow. I've made small roleplaying games where I talk about us as lovers or a married couple. To my annoyance she hasn't really picked up on the roleplaying part, which is an IoD I guess. However she hasn't at one point rejected me, she has simply sometimes changed the subject or twisted the topic a bit.

I thought things was going well, because about a week ago she started complaining about everyday annoyances. I kept changing the subject, and the past days she hasn't started that kind of conversation with me. However yesterday I got a slap in the face where she in the middle of a conversation about exercise and body, she asked me this:

"btw, what do you do when you're kinda mad at your BFF and she suddenly texts you "I miss you"..?"

I instantly replied that "I'm not your psychologist, ask one of your girlfriends " (Note to self: the smiley was unnecessary).

She then said that "None of them are online!"
I replied "Then you have to think for yourself."

She kept going by saying "I did, and I didn't like my answer very much :/"
I broke it off by saying "Then you should have answered something else, .." directly followed up by a completely unrelated question.

Having her ask me stuff like this is a clear indicator that I'm still deep within the friend zone (I think), and my attempts at changing this through texting seems to have failed. What I plan to do is meet her in person and try to escalate some kino, but if that doesn't work I'm at a loss. I'm meeting her later today, so I'll post how it went in this thread.

Does anyone have any tips or points of evaluation? How can I make her realize that I don't want to "just be a friend"? Should I make any attempts at voicing what I feel or is this a strict no-no? Girls are confusing :/

I instantly replied that "I'm not your psychologist, ask one of your girlfriends Smile"

She then said that "None of them are online!"
I replied "Then you have to think for yourself."

She kept going by saying "I did, and I didn't like my answer very much :/"
I broke it off by saying "Then you should have answered something else, .." directly followed up by a completely unrelated question.

This is really good. You might have had a chance if you started with this mindset from the BEGINNING, but it's to late now.

She knows you are interested in being more than just friends, you communicated that a few times. She just isn't interested. Don't waist any more time.

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Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. - Robert Greene

I'll phrase this as a question since I have zero experience:

Well if you don't care about losing her completely and all other options have failed, can't you just outright say something?

There's gotta be a way of saying it that's still not beta "I really like you please be more than friends" and if you don't care about losing her as a friend then what do you have to lose? Of course this gets complicated if you actually want her as a friend.

If you want to lower your value to the point she doesn't respect you and boost her ego in the process, then by all means say something. TRUST me, she knows what you want. Saying something is just pitiful.

This is why you can never, ever allow yourself to get into the friend zone. Even if you do not have any intentions of bedding a girl, do not get into the friend zone. I made the decision a long time ago to stay out of this zone at all costs.

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Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. - Robert Greene

Thing is I know a couple of girls that I'm in the friend zone with, and that's not a problem at all. I enjoy talking to them, and they're my friends just as much as some of my male friends. It's just slightly funnier, because when I neg them I'm able to create tension that is humorous to me, because I know that there will never ever be anything between us. Talking to female friends is so simple, really, because you can just say what's on your mind. Practicing PUA concepts on them is funny, but that's all there is.

Keeping up this "fake" personality towards girls that you actually want to be involved with feels unnatural, but maybe that's just the AFC in me still being dominant? I know I have to work on my inner game, but earlier today I read the post in the Introduction section about the wierd things that the Community does to you, and I've already found myself starting to fall into more of these categories. I mean I understand the concepts and all, but I find it hard to wrap my head around the fact that things have to be so unnecessarily complex. It takes so much energy. And yes, I've been over-thinking things a lot lately.

Honestly...

Go for other women. I like Finesse's advice about the friend zone: always show that you're a sexual threat to her.

You're only in friend zone if you want to be. If you refuse to accept it, you either end up becoming the main alpha male sexual go-to man, or you stop talking to her entirely. Naturally, the sexy alpha male is preferable...

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Don't hate, just dominate.

Question Sarph, have you had any success using the 'techniques' found on this forum?

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Keep people off-balance and in the dark by never revealing the purpose behind your actions. - Robert Greene

The honest and shortest answer would be a simple no. Maybe I need to work a lot more with myself? I'm at a period of my life though where I'm kind of discovering myself, I still haven't chosen what to study and I've been reading A LOT of material on a lot of stuff. Feeling a bit confused. But no, I haven't. I haven't even applied myself by any great amount, and I've not been out 'sarging' yet either.

Edit: And I might be sitting with a small one-itis on my hands.