^ you are off topic, that is not the point of the post...Yes ugly dudes get women exhibit skills360... But again that is not the point of the post.

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There's always a lot of factors to control for in a survey like this. I was interested by the fact that in #1, about half the guys had tattoos and half didn't. You coudln't see any clear influence on the results from this, but it must play a part.

More compelling, body language. In #8 the hands on hips look seems to show more of the relaxed confidence, the next two guys seem more neutral and the last guy's body language (clutching his abs) seems quite bad. Although the body types would seem to be the bigger factor, I'm sure this must have exaggerated the results a little.

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Now back to the topic, OF COURSE looks matter but APPEARANCE matters more. Looks are set in stone but appearance can change in a heartbeat. I know people will whine and say genetics this and that, you can't change your looks but you can change your appearance. I have a theory, if we all work towards making ourselves look better and put a lot of effort into it, we will see that we fall into the above average looking category at the end. Yet, our mind will fight improvement all it can.

For me, I went from being a 4 or 5 as rated by guys on here to being a legitimate 7/10. Getting into beautifulpeople.com with strong marks and getting winks from women. The hardwork pays off but I HAVE to disagree with the beard, I stay clean shaven and get so many compliments. I am the kind of guy who grows a beard VERY FAST (North Indian genetics).

I never got ONE thing about looks, why is it that we put tan skin on the pedestal yet only admire European looking (white) people in the looks department? LOOK AT ANY Fashion magazine or anything of that nature, you only see White men in a lot of cases, in some rare cases you see a Black man, everything else is unheard of.

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Shotgun - very fair points, especially about the body language. I'm not sure tattoos will have any massive impact, not least because some girls will like tattoos and others won't. The body language aspect though could certainly have played a part in influencing thoughts. Had the photos all been stood entirely straight spined in the same pose, the results could well have been different.
Oh good, let's turn another thread into a nonsensical debate about skin colour. Just what this thread needed......

Have you field tested a professional stylish beard? wait, let me answer, probably not... You are the last dude i wanted participating in this post... Since you already have about 500 post talking about the same thing, i could have told you word by word what you just wrote before you did.

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Why is anyone even questioning this shit? Honestly and seriously.... It's not like it is weird that a woman wouldn't want unhealthy looking person. A person with no body fat that is absolutely chiseled is not healthy looking, in fact they look unnatural... unnatural looks unhealthy thus becomes unattractive.

You guys need to take a look at reality, we are animals... we search for the healthiest possible mate.. Natural is healthy unnatural is not healthy.

Women that obsess with guys like zyzz aren't women I'd date or touch for that matter. They are ego based... have to do things for others fuck that. I do shit for me not to impress others. Zyzz didn't not give a fuck... that needs to be acknowledged he sculpted his body to impress others. To be cool to be the guy people obsess over.... sorry but I don't agree with that at all. Zyzz had a huge ego... I wouldn't say he had confidence... reason being look at all the posts and pics he put up. The thing is why the fuck does it matter... if he was doing it for himself he wouldn't have that shit everywhere.

Women want a man that is fit, but not unhealthy it's not like it's surprising. I don't even understand why there is argument... the article sums it up so well.

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I speak the total truth, the first part had nothing to do with race but the last part was completely relevant to looks. Pick up ANY fashion magazine and tell me the next time you see a latino, asian, indian, or any guy that isn't black or white on it.

Moral of the story it seems to me is that in order to be attractive in the US and be the guy that gets checked out just for his looks, you HAVE to be White or in some cases Black, all other races are pretty much disqualified by the beauty experts and yet they worship tan skin and "darker features".

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Who talk trash bout Zyzz is jelly x 10

statistically speaking, this article only kind of applies to us. The article doesn't specify what kind of women they were polling. It could have been any population of women, and even if it was completely random, that would mean they did a really good job of finding women all across our 1-10 HB scale.

Since i personally (along with a lot of other men on here) only want hot women, HB8+, this article doesn't help because it is not a good representation of what they desire. The whole thing is skewed towards less attractive women than the ones i, or most others, want.

If the poll asked, what bodies do young attractive women desire, and it were a large enough poll, it would be decisive enough to take something away from... but it doesn't and therefore isn't...

Honestly, if this article was taken at face value, it could potentially have a negative effect for the more ambitious men on here, because it would be information that they would perceive as useful when in reality, it isn't.

Sorry if that breaks down your 'end all, be all' post on what PUAs should aim for, but that is simply how i see this article.

Is that to say fat guys like me can't get hot sexy girls? LOL.... I think you may want to gain more experience with women if you think this article isn't true.

Good luck dude.

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This video actually proves my point.... Why the fuck did he do this shit? He had to like show himself off... very ego orientated... he got off on women being attracted to him. I also feel he didn't add any videos that showed girls weren't attracted to him, or thought his ridiculous start to a chat conversation was out of line.

Ego? OBVIOUSLY!

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@poetic

Why you so upset brah? Are you mad that you can't get the same results doing the same actions? You don't take off your shirt and flex because you care. You don't like it when people poke fun at you.

I thought you were alpha