Not sure stereotype is the right word, but this has been cumulatively pissing me off over a period of many months now:

AMOGing does not resemble some sort of verbal attack or fight with another guy. In fact it usually involves the contrary. Sure, the end result is likely to be that you are higher value than the guy, if only by virtue of winning the girl in question, but the means to which you get to that end is not like some sort of war where you're being nasty to the guy.

It seems to me that so many people think of AMOGing as a really harsh thing to do in its very process. If that's the case, you probably - no - certainly suck at AMOGing.

He he, just because you are being anal I am gonna be anal too...

AMOG (Alpha male other guy or Alpha male of the group) indicates that the AMOG is someone else than you. So you dont actually technically AMOG them.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

You're thinking out of the moment.
...You also happen to be correct.

"AMOGing", which I will rephrase to DHVing, is merely that. If you DHV 100%, properly and efficiently, you will be the AMOG. If someone "Threatens" you, be friendly and disarm them with kindness. The mind always vanquishes the sword.
"Applause"

That's one AMOG strategy yes.

I agree with everything you have said, but there is more than one way to skin a cat.

skin a cat.... you strange scot.

Its all about how people view what you are doing. If you are already the dominant person in the group you can be blunt and to the point that you do not like how they are behaving.

However, if you do that when you are coming into a group where they are dominant, you will seem rude and the people around you will side with him.

If you appear to be trying to be nice to him, and he gets aggressive/angry he will seem unreasonable and become lower in value.

Hrrmm.

This is a huge subject. (this term is confusing at best) Amog.
I totally hate it.
And i think all the courses designed to teach this are totally wrong.

As if some stupid twerp will totally be transformed into some VIN DIESEL, SLY STALONE, TOM CRUIS HYBRID,after listening to a few tapes.

The most powerfull MEN like that sneaky little shit STYLE sneak right under the radar by hiding or masking power. YOU WILL LIVE LONGER.
pretending to be the MAN will get your head kicked in.

Its about being a man, not THE MAN.

Even little guys with glasses act AMOG at times.
Thats right,even a weedy liitle shit will grow a pair in the right situation.
Every man on this planet is an amog. (This beta crap is total bull).

Its about the different types of ALPHA man that are so totally mis-quoted.

I think PUA in relation to this is very small.

I quote criminal law (about a tenth if that of all thats to be learned about law)

Pua is the same ( a very small bit about alpha men)

I see this going on at work,in clubs everywhere.
Most guys will act AMOG under a variety of curcumstances.

Guys know when the KING of the jungle enters the room. (he is not 6 feet 8 bulging with muscle).
You can not mimic this.
Try as much as you like, you just can't do it.
Unless you want to be in a lot of fights.
Constant attacts, tests, more tests, written warnings etc if you are at work.
cock blockers, pissing you off.

I have a guy at work that will get my coffee first before anybody else, or just mine.
Why. (everyday without fail) Its a respect thing.

I have won him over by charm, friendlyness, helpfullness and just by being the real deal.

By the same token i get totally singled out at work by the top man and shit tested and generally treated badly. (he can't spend more than 1 minute in my presance)
Total proof i am a threat to him. We both know this.
I the man and he is not.

We all know who these guys are.

The amoging behaviour when out and about in clubs is hilarious.

You react. YOU LOSE.

I know, i know, there are all these methods blah blah but relax.

You win some, you lose some, you draw some.

I know some of you think winning every bout is so important, WRONG.
There is no shame loosing to the better man on the day.
If you keep winning god help you when you loose. NASTY.
Because you will loose IF YOU EVER COME UP AGAINST ME.

And you might just notice that i don't buy in to this JARGON talk AMOG, HB10 etc.
By doing so you are surrendering to the system.

I'm just glad somebody else has a take on the stereotypes of THE MAN.

And to make a point about ACTIONS, SLOW MOVEMENT,SPEACH,HEIGHT,WALKING STYLES,PEA COCKING.

This is for geeks to copy the MEN.
The MAN would dress as a geek. THEN do something to prove he is not.

If this amoging ERRGHH, is about winning the girl all the time like she is a prize.
YOU HAVE HER.

I will get another girl and another and another.

F..k it.

If you want to see an example of the ultimate battle between THE MEN.
With total explanations about HOW,why and what this is really about.

ASK CHIEF if he can find a link for an episode of the WATER MARGIN.

Where LIN CHUNG (super amog warrior, leader) battles (BLUE FACE same type) and what the outcome is.

It is a perfect example for this thread.

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Its getting Hot out there.

Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

I would say that AMOGing is not dependent upon women in the least, thus your definition isn't very accurate. AMOGing actually doesn't have to have any women around to take place and women don't have to be involved in the situation even 2nd hand.

To AMOG: To AMOG someone is to take their position of "Alpha Male of the Group" away from them and establish yourself as the new AMOG. In order for this to occur, several things must take place;

1) You must participate in the group of the target (this doesn't mean that you must be a part of that group, but merely that you interact with the group in some way shape or form).
2) You must reduce the target's status in the eyes of the group at large (not every single member must be included in this, but merely the majority, not the minority).
3) You must establish your value as being notably higher than the person who's status you have reduced.

*You must accomplish ALL of these in order for AMOGing to occur.
**You may accomplish this via any methods that you deem viable, regardless of whether you come off as a nice guy or a complete jerk.

Ezo, I was going to disagree with you, but after some thought I realise you are completely right and you don't AMOG someone else, you AMOG yourself. If you were AMOGing someone else, you would be making THEM the Alpha, when really it is making yourself the Alpha. Unfortunately I can't come up with any way of phrasing it, verbing it, or tensing it, that will correct the issue, so I guess we just add it to our insider joke list!

^Haha, yes, the phrase doesn't quite work.

I'll reply to certain people later as I'm on the train to London* for a few days, but, I just wanted to give an example for what I mean. As Fin says, yes, it's just one way to skin a cat...though nonetheless I want to emphasise this.

So, here's a quick fix I do often for heavy amog situations, for a situation where you are competing with a guy (or "AMOG") for a girl (of course, there doesn't have to be a girl involved). I'm gonna skip out all the non-verbal stuff or it will take forever:

"Dude, you are the man, mate, you're SO good at picking up girls. Dude, you gotta teach me these skills - I bet you could pick this girl up right now, I mean, I bet anything you say to her right now will make her kiss you because you are pretty good with girls right? Go on, show me how it's done."

Or something like that. It has to be said genuinely even though that sounds sarcastic. So, the whole time, I've been NICE, in fact, overly nice to the guy. It just so happens that I 'accidentally' set him up for an impossible task, that he will definitely lose (if he attempts), and by virtue of losing he will also lose the girl. If he doesn't attempt, well, then he's not hitting on the girl so the problem is neutralized anyway.

To me, AMOGing is often as simple as making friends with a guy. I don't know what AMOGing actually is or how to define it, but I think a better approach, rather than trying to define it, is to define its outcome or objective. Making friends with a guy will often prevent him from hitting on your girl, lowering your value in a group, or will raise your value in a group etc, which may complete your objective in the first place.

Bottom line is, referring back to my original post - AMOGing usually not an evil or mean thing to do, and you won't come out the other end with verbal scars. This is why I dislike the phrase 'AMOGing battle'. If you're slapping a guy on the back and telling him how nice his shirt is, that's hardly battling each other.

Now I've ranted on.. I need to do some work xxxxxxxxxxxx

Amogging would probably best be defined as establishing a relationship with the other males in which YOU are the alpha/highest valued male.

Indeed. I usually find that talking about girls is a crappy way to do this and so I tend to pick out some cool piece of clothing that I can compliment, or something that the guy is trying to appear cool by wearing or doing and work that angle.

"Man that's a sick jacket! I was totally looking for one of those ones with the furry hoods! There's like no one else in here with one of those!" All said with a big smile on my face and a pat on the shoulder to show that we're buddies. I act dominant via body language and take control of the conversation, redirect it so that I'm the focus and people begin discussing whatever interesting topics I come up with on hand. Takes about a minute and a half and suddenly you're the focus of the group, they think that you think they're cool, but they can tell that you're cooler and more confident because you aren't afraid of walking up to such a cool group of people as them.

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^Nice. Loving that example about the Jacket - the amount of times I've used the "Dude that's an AWESOME shirt" line (with the same non-verbals as you, which are probably more important) is ridiculous, and the success rate of this open for guys is like 95% (you'll just have to arbitrarily understand what I mean by 'success' lol).

I just love doing this especially when their shirt or t shirt is so bland and really is not an awesome shirt at all LOL they just love it.

I was sarging in SE1 club in London on Thursday (the club has closed down but there was a huge party there using the venue - on that note, I heard Fabric is closing down too - gay!!) and used this shirt thing basically exactly what Rye Lee mentioned.

In fact, Thursday night was a really good (if you'll forgive me for blowing my own horn a bit) example of amogging.

Basically, I got opened by a guy in a 3-set outside the club. It was 2 girls and a guy. The guy was opened me by saying "look at him, fuck you" by pointing at me. Hehe. What an ironically easy way in I thought. He was (by his own repeated admission) quite drunk, so the girls were quick to apologise, and I spent the next 10 minutes amogging him and taking his girls with girl coding.

I amogged him by being completely oblivious to his insults - of course, this is one of the basics - remain unaffected. And I really built him up and was really nice. So it kind of went like this (again, so much of amogging is non-verbal as I'm sure you all know but I can't be assed to write that all out):

DrunkDude: "Fuck you man! Who are youu"
Rafiel: "Haha you're funny. Is this guy drunk" (to the girls)
DrunkDude: "Dude I'm really sorry I'm just a bit drunk.
Rafiel: "Don't worry man, you're alright, it's all gravy."
DrunkDude: "I know, I'm amazing, like, every girl wants to fuck me right now!"
Rafiel: "Yeah man, you're the hottest dude in this venue right now. Every girl wants to fuck you right now."
DrunkDude: "Yeah! You're cool, what's your name?"

That's shortened, it took more of my building him up before he cracked, but yeah. The girls could really appreciate that I was building him up though. Normally it's not so sarcastic. At one point he slapped me. Again I remained unaffected and laughed it up, whilst also warning them that if he did it again I would knock him out (making sure I didn't cross the barrier between being a doormat and verbal tooling).

So, in short, drunk dude's abusing me, I amog him, in doing so i get his girls AND he becomes my friend so I can USE him. We made him get us drinks etc.

That's not the end though. That's one type of amogging.

Later in the night I joined them on the dance floor. The drunk dude was just being drunk and both the girls wanted me but I only wanted the taller Italian one.

Now, I had approached a guy set a minute earlier on the dancefloor with the proverbial "Dude your shirt is awesome!" Line, and he really digged it so we made good friends. So I went up to him, talked some more and told him my plan with the girls. I told him to help me out using my standard instant-wingman game. I told him we're going to separate the set, he'll take the shorter one and I'll take the italian one (they were both pretty cute so there was something in it for him too).

Worked well (the guy was pretty hot), separated the set, I started making out with mine. Felt a bit bad for the guy as he didn't really know how to dance with a girl but you can't win em all.

So all really did was making friends, but I would still class this as amogging. It's just a different type to the earlier amogging. By Fin's definition...I guess it kiiiiiind of fits. Maybe not. Maybe it's not amogging. Whatever. Lol. But it goes hand in hand with it if not.

Guys in all situations can be really useful if you use them to your advantage.

Back to the theme of this thread, though - with both guys, all I had done the whole time is be nice to them. So people with the impression that amogging is a brutal sport, could think again.

Rye lee explains things very well.

It can see a little bit of the (Road House) Dalton method working here.

As the best Cooler around his advice was.

BE NICE.

If he calls you a cock sucker.

BE NICE.

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Its getting Hot out there.

Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

Agreed on these points. Though I'm not sure what the actual point of this post was by now... lol.

In any case, AMOG battle is contradictory, yes. A lot of the time you don't have to talk. Sometimes even we men are good at reading body language.

If you want to win an AMOG "battle", be the highest value. No routines or crap helps here. You're either highest up or not.

Though johnchang, I think it's a bigger deal than you're saying if you lose an AMOG battle. Girls love the leaders, just because of all the value game stuff... In any case, it's also not necessarily a confrontation. You can win an AMOG battle by befriending the other dude. In that case, you show yourself to be high value by having a large circle of friends... I'm losing track of my thoughts, I'll cut it here.

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Don't hate, just dominate.

Ah ah ah.

nope.

Thats just pride fucking with ya.

You can't win every battle.

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Its getting Hot out there.

Its all to easy.

I want to be a tree!

RG you were amoging for sure. That's typically how I run my game as well. The girls who want away from douchebags are always happy when a nicer, suaver, wittier guy comes along. Being a jerk usually makes you lower your value because people will stick with their asshole friends over some random asshole at a bar.

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~ Rye