I've recently watched AFC Adam's speech at the 21 Convention and actually enjoyed the material he was offering us. Some days later, I went through Vin DiCarlo's Pandora's Box videos and could not help thinking about the typologies of girls both PUAs have created. I wanted to discuss this topic with the community and maybe get a more experienced outlook on these typologies. Are they legit? realist? useful? ...

DISCLAIMER.
Those who are following my journal from-afc-to-pua-a-learning-journal-afc- ... 81510.html already know that I'm not a PUA. I've never applied these materials. I have also very few notions about psychology, and this post is obviously a short sum up of the original material... Anyways, I'm just curious about this and I wanted to have the opinion of the community about typologies of girls. To be honest, creating this post is also a great way for me to procrastinate

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AFC ADAM'S TYPOLOGY. full-video-adam-lyons-t21c-2010-vt90322.html
Our favorite British PUA basically states the obvious: we need to calibrate our game to the girl we're gaming. From here, he gave us a really simple typology: there are three types of girls to which correspond three types of game. AFC Adam calls it the PEN model in the video.

Types of women:
- Psychotic: makes emotional decisions, do "crazy" stuff, ...
- Extroverted: go out, social, interact with other people...
- Neurotic: depressive, cup always half empty, nothing is great...

Types of men:
- Nice guy: caring, help people, ... (shortcoming: can be needy)
- Bad boy: crazy and reckless decisions, dangerous, ... (shortcoming: can be a jerk)
- Leader: social, lead the group, dominant, ... (shortcoming: can be bossy)
- Provider: buy stuffs for the girl, ... (shortcoming: $$ needed)

Calibrating our game:
- Psychotic > Bad boy: the bad boy takes reckless decision and do crazy stuff, it fulfills her emotional part.
- Extroverted > Leader: the leader takes her out, allow her to socialize... he is in charge and allow her to do what she likes to do.
- Neurotic > Nice guy: the nice guy looks after her, he's caring...
The provider type comes second. If she doesn't find her type, she might mate a provider.
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VIN DI CARLO'S TYPOLOGY. http://openherbox.com/
Vin DiCarlo's typology is more elaborated. His goal was to understand how women work to get a "total devotion" from them... (appealing isn't it?). He starts by analyzing the three great conflicts of the female mind:

The conflicts of the female mind:
- Time: the clock is ticking for women, they are biologically programmed to mate the most dominant, high-status man she can get...
- Sex: women love the physical pleasure coming from sex but are facing society's pressure (calling them sluts) and have been through sex-related traumas (men touching them in the bus?)...
- Relationship: in our modern societies, she's urged to be independent and have a career and but the old model of a caring housewife is still present...

How do they deal with these conflicts?
1) Time line: test or invest.
> TESTER: she tests/dates different guys, she fulfills her needs with the combination of several men.
> INVESTOR: she commits in a relationship and try to make her boyfriend better.
2) Sex line: deny or justify
> DENIER: she does not speak about sex and might not admit she enjoys it because of society pressure and former sex-related trauma. Less sexual partners but sex is more important to her.
> JUSTIFIER: sex is not a big thing for her, she easily justifies the fact that she had sex with a guy by lowering the significance of it. More sexual partners but sex is less important to her.
3) Relationship line: idealist or realist.
> IDEALIST: she has a traditional view on relationship, she's less ambitious and wants to be taken care of.
> REALIST: she has a modern view of relationships, she wants to be independent and are powerful enough to even take care of a man. They have always one foot out the door.

Eight types of women.
Well you got it... Each types is a combination of three letters according to the way they deal with the three big conflicts present in their mind.
TDI = The Playette
TJI = The Social Butterfly
NDI = The Hopeful Romantic
NJI= The Cinderella
TDR= The Private Dancer
TJR= The Seductress
NDR= The Connoisseur
NJR= The Modern Woman

Calibrating our game.
I'm not going into details here, but obviously Vin DiCarlo argues that knowing the type of your target allows you to better calibrate your game. He provides a quick guide to every types. For example, he states that going direct with all the INVESTORS types pays off but you better not come as the party boy (drunk, loud...). TESTERS on the other hand don't feel comfortable with too much intensity at the beginning, it's better to approach them by commenting on something in the environment. It's important to quickly have sex with the TESTERS... but again, each type has a different strategy...
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As I told you, I've never really applied these typologies, so I don't really know if they stick to reality and if all this is useful when it comes to gaming. Yet, I think it's really interesting to learn more about how women work, to understand them. Even thought these classifications might not completely stick to reality, it can give us a good key to better understand why our game did not work (or worked).

QUESTIONS TO THE COMMUNITY.
1) Do these classifications really stick to reality? Does the women you've/are gamed/gaming fit in these categories?
2) Are they really applicable? I mean, is it worth it to screen a woman to know her type and then calibrate your game according to her type? Does it work?
3) What's your opinion about classifying women? Could it be useful to you?

Waiting for you reactions!

Daniel..

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Let's not get too bogged down with details and minutia. The more you know someone the more you know about what makes them tick. the more you know about what they like and what they want the better you will be able to scratch them where it itches.

Ill be honest, i reckon these profiling techniques should be more appreciated.
It'll give you a more accurate idea of what kinda future you might have with a girl, depending if your looking for a LTR. It'll help you in life generally, because you basically know what the person (not just HB's) want and it can work in your favor.

I got into PUA cause of pandora.
It works (most of time).

I didn't do it like: I go out, find a girl, find her type (most girls are tdi while going out)
but I did this: Everytime I scored a girl, I looked up her personality, and how to approach her. All the time I did almost exactly what the 'guide' said.

So ye, I think it works most of times.
My problem with pandora is tht only yhe classes are 90 pages.
If you want to learn this (its not logic at all, u just have to learn it by heart if u cant feel what she likes) you take really really really long.
After u finally know the types, you gotta get used to how they handle and what u gotta do, takes more and more and more time, and really big chance of failing cause u think: ah damn, how did I have to approach TDR again? and u get awkward moments.

I forgot most things, but I remember I could have fclosed a NDI who was really really shy and stuff like that. Turned it down though, my mate had done her before

Not familiar with adam

Is this (Pandora) a version of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator test which has been modified for PUA?

Thanks for your replies.
Indeed, but are these models really helping us to know our targets better? That's what I was wondering... I wanted some insights from some members who actually tried them to figure this out.
I also think it's really interesting and indeed, if right, it could give us a nice key to figure out what "kind" of girl is better for a LTR or something less engaging.

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I got your point. The material is really dense indeed. It would be really hard to remember everything... and even if you find her type, you can get these awkward moments while trying to remember and apply the scripted plan.

I don't think it's reapply applicable while approaching someone in the street for example... You can't find her type in a few minutes and then game her according to the plan. Yet, it can be really interesting to know her type in the evolution of the relationship with her.

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I don't think so. The MBTI typology is way more complicated... but it could be really interesting to discuss the relation between MBTI and Pick-Up though. Do you have some material about that?

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