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Avidity
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 Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject: Can people review my opener |
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| I came up with an opener/full script today. I was wondering if anyone would be willing to review it for me and let me know what you think. Its kind of a hybrid of other people's Openers that I put together to make an entire script. Before typing it out I just wanted to know if anyone would read it. thanks guys. |
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Titan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Although I'm not a huge fan of canned material, I'll give it a read. |
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EvoJ
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Sure, why not. |
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Avidity
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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pua: I have a really important question.
hb: What is it?
pua: What's your favorite animal?
hb: Dog/cat/lion....
pua: Really. That isn't very original. Try harder.
hb: goat/pig/.....
pua: ok. Thats a bit better...why is it your favorite?
hb: blah blah blah...interupt her
pua: I have another question.
hb: ok like what?
pua: What else do you do?
hb: What do you mean? I haven't told you what I do.
pua: I mean what else do you do besides hitting on cute white guys?
hb: I'm not. You started talking to me.
pua: oh yeah. Oh well. It doesn't matter. If I wasn't gay you'd be so mine.
hb: Whatever...Are you really gay?
pua: I'll tell you what. Give me your number and I might call you to talk about it. Who knows...You might turn me straight. |
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Avidity
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for any suggestions or tips. |
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Titan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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a. Why would she tell you what her favourite animal is if she doesn't know you?
b. She'll know that you don't really care about the answer, and maybe let the pickup line slide, even though she won't like it.
c. If she does say dog/cat, telling her to "try harder" is basically telling her that she is boring and needs to like a more unique animal. Don't dictate to her what she likes or doesn't like.
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EvoJ
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| eoseitz wrote: | pua: I have a really important question.
hb: What is it?
pua: What's your favorite animal?
hb: Dog/cat/lion....
pua: Really. That isn't very original. Try harder.
hb: goat/pig/.....
pua: ok. Thats a bit better...why is it your favorite?
hb: blah blah blah...interupt her
pua: I have another question.
hb: ok like what?
pua: What else do you do?
hb: What do you mean? I haven't told you what I do.
pua: I mean what else do you do besides hitting on cute white guys?
hb: I'm not. You started talking to me.
pua: oh yeah. Oh well. It doesn't matter. If I wasn't gay you'd be so mine.
hb: Whatever...Are you really gay?
pua: I'll tell you what. Give me your number and I might call you to talk about it. Who knows...You might turn me straight. |
No. Bad PUA! *hit with newspaper* All you did was try to stack multiple routine's/lines together to make a larger routine ... called appropriately enough a "Routine Stack".
| eoseitz wrote: | pua: I have a really important question.
hb: What is it?
pua: What's your favorite animal? |
How is "What is your favorite animal?" a really important question. You have now officially confused her AND you have shown interest in her. Thats 0 for 2.
| eoseitz wrote: | hb: Dog/cat/lion....
pua: Really. That isn't very original. Try harder.
hb: goat/pig/..... |
That is an insult not a neg. Instead of what you said you might want to say "Really? huh... another dog, okay..Why did YOU choose dog?" It displays interest but it also shows her that she is among the "Majority" and now she has to qualify to you why SHE made that common choice.
| eoseitz wrote: | hb: blah blah blah...interupt her
pua: I have another question.
hb: ok like what? |
What!?!? If you just interupt her directly after you ask her a question then she isn't gonna be very receptive to you. Again, that isn't much of a neg.. that is lack of common courtesy. Be careful.
| eoseitz wrote: | pua: What else do you do?
hb: What do you mean? I haven't told you what I do.
pua: I mean what else do you do besides hitting on cute white guys?
hb: I'm not. You started talking to me. |
Did it hurt?
When you fell from heaven...
Oh wait, you don't want to sound like every other guy on the planet with the creepy pickup lines.
| eoseitz wrote: | pua: oh yeah. Oh well. It doesn't matter. If I wasn't gay you'd be so mine.
hb: Whatever...Are you really gay?
pua: I'll tell you what. Give me your number and I might call you to talk about it. Who knows...You might turn me straight. |
When you hint/say that you are gay the point is it is a False Disqualifier. It helps to lower her instant judgement of you... which you HAVE triggered about a dozen times in your "routine stack".
Pretty much the only thing I would say was alright out of this entire thing is that you didn't ASK for her number. Unfortunately though, you demanded it. That is just a little less unattractive than being a wuss. The point is to lead the horse to water.. not shove a waterballoon down it's throat.
Was I clear enough?
Hope this helps.
EvoJ
P.S. I swear, I do not intend to be mean here. Just alot of errors imho. |
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Titan
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| Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed, I'd much rather use the "Hello, I'm " line. |
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Avidity
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the suggestions guys. i'm a newb for sure. That really helps. |
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EvoJ
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Np. Glad we could help. |
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Avidity
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Could anyone give some examples of how this should go? I guess i'm just confusing when and how to use different techniques. I understand why the opener was faulty. That just wasn't an important question. I liked the idea of saying "a dog, thats what the other three ladies told me". As far as closing it up, how do I go about that? |
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EvoJ
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Okay, you need to rethink what each phase is for.
Opener = anything that is not insulting that applies to the current situation between the two of you. It is used to get there attention. Anything from "Hey you, I want your opinion on blah" to "I love those shoes, my mother picked out the exact same pair, where did you get yours?"
Once they are engaged with talking with you (after the opener.) you then can do the easiest thing which is explain your opener. Such as "I want your opinion on men wearing jewelry. Yes, No, Only someting small and tasteful?"
She answers.. blah
Explain: "Well you see, I was just talking to my friends and they said that guys shouldn't/should (whatever) wear it because it makes them look a bit fruity/confident (Whichever). And I really wanted a woman's opinion."
After that it is pretty much building attraction with related DHV's.
She says "Yeah, I can understand why a man would want a woman's opinion about style."
You : "Yeah, well... most of you do. I mean there was this one girl I knew..... (DHV!)"
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You: "I agree completely, like there was this one friend of mine who wouldn't accept a woman's advice about anything (DHV!)"
Now, you repeat these steps casually while projecting some basic Kino until you get 3 IoI's or so. (Personally I wait until I see 5 because I am a scared little punk).
Wait a minute. Here.
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You can check out the process there.
Just remember, Exactly WHAT you say isn't as important as HOW you say it.
I hope this helps
EvoJ |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Nah, sorry man. You can make a better opener than that. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I've never been a big fan of the "if I wasnt gay" opener....I HOPE you can do better than a stacked canned opener like this. sound more natural...work out the kinks then get back to US. |
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