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I posted this on my journal. I wanted to post it here too.

I made a lot of these mistakes initially. They can easliy be avoided and can drastically improve your game. Just Tip #5 will probably double your sucess if you're a hesitant AFC like I was.

From Journal:

I noticed where I've been making errors recently, and they are things that don't seem to be emphasized much on the forum. Altthough this forum has been helpful, it seems to be helping the AFC's and the PUA's, but kinda ignoring that middlepoint (the RAFC). Hopefully some of this advice will be helpful to you guys (P.S. Most of this stuff is regarding day game. I am not qualified to give advice for night game unless there's an overlap).

Tips:

1. Opening (canned or uncanned):
When it comes to opening, in day game my experience is that it is easier and just more natural to use an uncanned opener. It comes of as less cheezy and shows you have a personality. You can also be a bit more direct. If you happen to be shy or have trouble talking to women, then you should start of with a canned opener and then just work on your inner game. Note that this is different for night game. With night game, because the ASD is up, you have to be a little less direct. Simply put, if you can, try to use uncanned openers for midgame

1.5. Opening (Indirect vs. Direct):
Use whatever works for you. I work better with semi-direct openers but there is no right or wrong here. Whatever works for you.

2. Methods (ie. Stealth, Mystery, RSD, ect.):
Before I get into midgame, lets talk about methods. Methods are useful. Learn as many as you can, but they don't always work well. These methods are what works for the PUG that makes them, and the disciples that follow them, but perhaps some of you guys a notch below where I am (yeah, I know I'm not far) may have been noticing that these methods haven't been working for you. Here's a few important things about methods:

A. They are tailored to the PUG's personality (Mystery: A-hole, Gambler: that guy that's irresistable, ect.).
B. They are primarily for night game (yes, they cover day game too, just not as much).
C. You can always find a few things that can be done away with (like Mystery's peacocking)

So with this being said, how do you make it work for you? First of all, it's important to tailor it to your personality. As I found out, I seem like a sleazeball when I use canned openers. If you happen to be able to use them, great! Don't change it. If it hasn't been working for you either swich your canned openers to something that matches your personality or use inner game.

Next, get away with the parts that don't apply. During day game, you won't need to do magic tricks for DHV. There's other ways to do this. One of the things that I learned is that you need to be subtle for your DHV (ie. tell a story, have her ask a question about your shirt, ect.). Day game and night game have a lot in common, but they are also two different animals.

Find what doesn't feel right. I'm not gonna peacock because it doesn't feel right. There is an exception where when I'm wearing my rugby shorts (rugby shorts are really short) and I catch a girl sneaking a peak I'll say "I saw you checking out my legs" or something. It goes back to the first thing of method's which is use what works for you.

Midgame:
Midgame is a bit more challenging. You need to keep her interest. No matter what method you use, they all folllow a very similar algorithim (What? Programmers love algorithims!).

1. DHV
2. Disqualification/negging (repeat this a bit)
3. Qualification
4. Escalation (verbal, then kino)

Once you get this down, it's more natural than you think. I'll bring up rugby somehow (sometimes I'm not subtle enough but oh well). Intelligence actually will work sometimes as a DHV. Just don't get to cocky! Disqualifacation and negging I find relatively easy. It was difficult at first. Remember that you want to keep it at playful teasing, and don't say "No, I'm just joking!". Don't worry, she won't slap you (Go back to page 2 or 3 and look what I said to the girl working at a Macy's about underwear!).

Qualification, it's oddly difficult to qualify. It's just something that most male's (non-PUA's obvously) have trouble doing. You qualify on the wrong thing and it can screw you up a bit. I still have trouble with Qualification. It sucks because it's a vital step to show you have standards.

Escalation, this is fun. At this point you can relax. It's a bit risky to try kino escalation during the day. I use verbal. The point when you use Kino is a day 2. Just invite her to your place. It can be any escuse (I got this from Mystery). One that I used (although I haven't invited her yet) was I need sugar and milk for Chai. It was beautiful because I said "So you're bringing the sugar?" flirtatiously and she responded "And the Milk..." while giving me an IOI.

4. Negging:
Negging is such an important thing in midgame that it deserves it's own section. Negging is important. For the most part, you should come off as a playful asshole when you neg (unless she disqualifies you, then you can come off as more of an asshole). Women actually like this more than you think. it's covered in Jim Jefferies show Legit. The show isn't that informative on pickup, and they neg wrong, but negging is important!

5. Act Fast:
Well, I fucked up plenty of times here. Look at Chai girl. I was hesitant to invite her at first. Now it's been 3 weeks (I have to wait even more because I have Mono and Strep throat. yay!). You sould act fast. She still seems interested but a lot of the tension is gone. Don't mess up like I did. Act fast!

It sucks that I waited. I'm not sure whether I'll be able to F-close on a day 2 anymore. I'd actually like a PUA's opinion on this. Don't mess up like I did here, it's such an easy error to make and possibly the easiest to prevent!

6. Cock Blocks:
I've been cockblocked a few times (by the same guy). He always asks akward questions, like "when was the last time you masturbated?" Or "Have you ever eaten out a girl?" Or "Would you fuck *girl in presence*". Let's go over these.

The first question I fucked up. I said "I haven't had a need too if you know what I mean". I then said I hooked up with two girls (which was a lie, I was taking Mystery's advice). It kinda fucks everything up.

For the second one I said no and that i've only fingered a girl.

The third one I found out a way to turn around. I refused to answer but I should have said "Meh, maybe". It's a neg. You aren't coming off as desperate.

In conclusion, try to find out a way that an AMOG would respond.

7. Reading Material:
One of the downfalls that people warn of on this site is knowing all of the information (reading every book on PUA) and not practicing. I have it reversed. I started gaming before I read anything. I think I watched the first part of stealth (which really only applies to night game). I hadn't read anything except a few forum posts. In hindsight, I made quite a few errors. I told a girl she was pretty, I didn't use Negging, I made more rookie errors than I can count.

You should Read. My goal is 1 book on PUA every 1-2 weeks. I'm on page 300 of the game even though I only read it for a day! (by the way, I don't find the game that informative other than a few things, like freeze outs and stuff).

8. Know how to text and talk to a woman:
Oh my friggin gosh, know how to text! First, text in full scentences unless she's abreviating. Then you can too. I for the most part text in full sentences. That's just my personality. DON'T DISQUALIFY YOURSELF (Sorry for the all caps, but it's that important). A common problem (which I've never done, I've always been confident) is disqualifying yourself. After the first or second date/outing, One guy I knew texted this "Honestly HB I really like u.. Its cool if you don't feel like that towards me..." after asking her out on a second date. Another guy I know texted a long manifesto to a girl he liked and ended it with "It's okay if you don't feel the same way". Guys, keep your balls. Just work under the assumption that she likes you. It always works better.

9. Masturbation:
Stop it.

Okay okay, maybe if you're doing other things to increase testosterone, like contact sports or working out, but it kills your drive. I was dry for quite a while and then when I got sick and knew I'd be out of the game, I emptied the pipes. It kills drive. In my opinion it's perfectly healthy but it's an AFC thing to do.

I honestly hope this helps. Feel free to post any comments or criticisms. I think this will help a lot of rookie mistakes.

To all PUA's and forum mods:
You guys really helped me out early on. I want to say thanks to those of you who helped me, either directly with advice or indirectly with things like the Newbie Mission. I feel that this site is missing some stuff from the bridge from RAFC to PUA. It would be great if you guys had RAFC missions, objectives, and advice for us. Thanks for all of your help!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:26 pm 
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Solid advice. Finding the method that works for you is the most important advice out of all. Canned material can work wonders for some guys, but can ruin some guys games.


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Yeah guys should try and avoid canned material but if they feel they absolutely need to use it then they should go for it.


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Thanks fishnwomen, it took me a while before I realized that those approaches weren't working for me because it wasn't my style.

You have some really good advice on the forums by the way.

So I just watched a video done by Gambler about 8 mistakes that PUA's make. One of them was negging. He said that negging is bad and shouldn't be done unless dealing with a target that's on a high horse, but then he just says make playful insults.

Let's go back to negging. You don't always need to neg. With that being said, guys are taught that it's a great trait to be able to laugh at yourself, and you should be able to. Most guys who everyone likes can do this. It should be the same with women. If a HB takes offence at a witty neg, you probably wan't nothing to do with her. Don't neg the nice, sweet girl though.

I think that Gambler's advice mainly applies to Stealth. He even has his own version of negging called the playful asshole. Just remember you don't always need to neg, but one can help.

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You've come a long way, very fast. Don't let it go to your head though like most do at first.

This advice is good, I knew that it would have something to do with negs, as soon as I saw who posted it ;)

A lot of people say that you don't need negs, which is true - they are amazing at the right time, but they're risky; guys who say that they're bad, are doing it wrong.

I agree with the stuff about finding the style that works for you. I'm trying to give advice to a very timid guy at the moment, so when I suggested Jason Capitals videos to him, I was wasting time. I like to keep it somewhere inbetween Jason Capital (asshole) and Corey Wayne (a bit more mature than most PUA's, knows how to keep a woman and maintain a relationhip rather than just wear black nail-varnish and goggles expecting to get laid) ...but just because that works for me, doesn't mean it'll work for everyone; some people LOVE Mehow and Keizia Noble... I hate both. Basically just comes down to finding a style that you like.

One last thing, as you're into daygame, have you checked out Good Looking Loser? Also apparently there's a good book by Mark Manson, called Models. I haven't read it, but I've had it suggested to me quite a lot.

Keep up the good work - I'm liking this version of you a lot better than the first version we saw ;)

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Thanks Daniels, if you read my posts I don't use negging a lot. I've switched my opinion on negging more than once.

A great thing to do is Gambler's playful asshole routine. Women really respond well to that.

I was actually introduced to Mehow recently. I have yet to watch his infields. I also have the Models PDF, I haven't read it yet but I'll take a look. I'll check out good looking looser.

Oh, and I started watching TD's RSD stuff (mainly the blueprint) and it works for me. I just watched day 1. I was eating dinner and sat down with a 2 set and just talked about whatever. She asked me for my name (which was a first) and then asked me for my room and said that she'd stop by XD! I think RSD is pretty good all around, it's about inner game but still can help newbies. With a mix of stealth it can be pretty effective.

Thanks Daniels. I'll step up my game once I finish The Blueprint. I'll look foward to your input. I was total fucking AFC at the beginning of the journal, lol.

And the waiting thing killed me dude, gotta act fast...

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