I want to highlight, that I personally disagree with claims that PU will change your life for the better. The self help industry (and by that title PU included) is crammed with frauds looking to prey on losers with more money than sense.

There are alot of myths passed around about what will change you and what won't, so much so that even after studying the psychology of learning and attitude change, it's still unclear what exactly is "true" with regards to Self help.

My view is that the problem with pick up right now is that it has become far too self important and is concerning itself with matters that it doesn't understand. In my opinion PUA's should stick to their field of expertise (getting laid) rather than wander of into the worlds of councilling which PU does not cover of train PUA's for.

What this is, is an approach via methodical planning and consistency to get results in an area that you want to excell in. Some of this has been covered by Hobbits post, in the "Practical Inner game" thread, self development area of this forum.

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LEARNING
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1. 7 P's

Prior
Planning
and
Preperation
Prevents
Piss
Poor
Performance

Think through what you want to achieve, how you achieve this, when you will do this, how often you will practise and how you will know you have achieved your goal.

EXAMPLE
Time: Week 1
Goal: Have strong Eye Contact.
Method: Keep self aware and coinciosuly count 5 conversations every day of this week where you maintain Eye Contact for longer than the other person/s you are talking to.
Measure: E/C has become more instinctual and automatic.

2. Re-evaluate.

If your plan doesn't work out, (and at some point it will fail) then look over your plan and change it for next time. Was their enough time to complete objectives? Was your measuring system effective? Were you specefic enough about when you would practise and learn new skills?

3. Do Less Achieve More.

Focus on one thing at a time during your periods of "change" to keep your rate of progress effective.

For instance, the goals for Week one could be purely about Eye contact and good body language.

With your attention centred, not only will your thoughts be less clutered but you will be more aware about what you want to change.

4. Read, Apply, Observe Apply.

Read about and observe the themes you want to embody, the more you are exposed to the stimulus you want to mimic or assimilate, just thinking about Smiling when opening for instance, or training hard to improve your hockey game can go a long way in un-consciously motivating yourself to make difficult decisions.

5. Expressive Writing.

Whether this is lists of things that make you feel good, recounting bad expriences or examining your own thoughts about yourself and others. Expressive writing allows for something that in head or person to person talk doesn't.

It allows you to structure and observe your thoughts which has a plethora of benefits in reducing anxiety, motivating yourself, over-coming negative expreiences, generating new healthier beliefs about the world and just all round making you feel happier.

To sumarise.

1. Plan, in detail. A plan with details included is golden.
2. When things go wrong, assess your plan for changes.
3. Do less, achieve more. Focus on the important by ignoring the un-important.
4. Surround yourself with your virtues.
5. Use expressive writing to journal thoughts and make sense of your "internal chatter".

I agree,there is no "better" because everyone has they're on definition of good.But if we take humans as a species,than there is a certain pattern.There are some universal things that when activated,release dopamine(the chemical responsible for happyness.
Well,if getting laid was easy,than PU wouldn't need to go to other fields.The truth is these days everything is complicated,we don't have the luxury of taking things simple.Think of or fathers or grandfathers.They wouldn't wine about things that most 12 year old kids whine about.Why?well 2 reasons.1:Nobody listened.and 2:there where more important things to do that whine about love,heartbreak and stuff like that...
Just a little story here,my english teacher said that the first time he had money in his hand was at the age of 19.After a kid from my class threw away a Mars chocolate,he said that at our age,he would get something like that once a year.The "big present" for cristmas was a banana or a chocolate or if he's lucky,some a toy or something...

I agree with your post,and i think people should be more simplistic when dealing with PU and girls.
Something like this:

Go out,open 100 girls,watch they're responses,write the things you notice down/write them on the forum to get clarification.Not working yet?do 100 more,then again..and so on.

The trick with this is that you are building on something,yet before you can become what you really want,you need to destroy yourself.Or find a way to know yourself to the core.Get a stick,go into the forest,and survive 3 months.After that,all life will be different.Of course,not everybody is ready to pay that price.Go watch the movie Fight club,to get the idea.Or even The dark knight(newest SPAM movie) and see what the Joker tells you.

But that just me...don't know why i wrote this post,but maybe someone will learn something from this!Good post Fin!Keep it up!

It seems that PUAs were getting laid, and often with more frequency well BEFORE this "Build your ideal life" rhetoric spilled into the scene.

I'm not certain about apporaching 100 that's going to take alot of time and effort and if your ot getting positive responses then it could damage your internal state.

(Regardless of what some Guru's think, constantly being told your shit and getting rejected does not neccessarily help you move forward if that is the message you have recieved on the past 20 approaches.

It'd be better to approach a small number that you are comfortable with, then looking at what went wrong, fixing that, then trying again.

Thanks for the input though!

I like where you are coming from OP. I do agree that a lot of the material out there is fluff and designed to distract you from simplicity. How else would these people make money? They can't sell a book thats two pages long.. even if thats all you really need.

The reality of PUA is that any approach can work and rejection WILL happen no matter what. A lot of men study PUA material because they fear rejection and they want some magical approach that will always work. Well.. thats never gonna happen.

PUA is very simple and I've had the most success being very simple. Walking up to a girl.. asking a question... giving a compliment.. quick flirting and small talk... then closing. No memorized stories, no half-hour conversations, no DHV, no negging, no props, no peacocking.

All this "extra" stuff is basically design to make you feel interior without it. Like "I can't approach girls without my hat" type of crap. Its ridiculous. All you need is your mouth and the balls to take action. THATS IT!

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think

nice guide

So how are you applying the advice in this thread?

Ignore the first part, that's my personal opinion on PU which I wanted to make clear before entering the fray.

The actual content of this post is methods for change. The post has nothing to do with simplicity, it's about proper organised planning to achieve results.

So your saying that if we want to get good with women, we should be planning a goal of meeting women smart and strategically and working on that, finding out what works for ourselves instead of relying on pua gurus?

Well yeah, I mean, the books aren't useless, the books are condensed knowledge. But the word "Smart" is bang on accurate for what I am describing.