a pick up line u tried that came from a pro that did not work

I used mystery's kiss test routine and had to scramble the situation from her literally being at the door ready to walk out. Got the f-close that night so it ended up ok in the end!

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Is that the "Would you like to kiss me?" routine? How did you fix it when it went bad?

Yeah that's the one. She said "um...these things are supposed to happen naturally you know...I think I'm gonna go."

[This brings up why the kiss test is a terrible technique. It's a massive state break where you're asking her to make a decision and therefore TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. You should take responsibility for everything for her by leading things forward in a non-threatening way.]

So I broke all contact, got up and said "well it's up to you. I had a fun time and let's see each other again soon" completely without being angry or annoyed or pouty as I walked over to the door.

She said "wait a minute" and then took my arm and made me face her, then I looked into her eyes to try and re-build some sexual tension, then went in for a kiss without saying anything, and this time it worked.

Pretty simply freeze-out I guess. I showed a lack of neediness and the ability to walk away, which helped salvage the situation. Now I only use the triangle-look thing where you're facing them, and you look into one eye, then the other, then her mouth, then her eye again in a triangle motion, spending about a second or two on each, then move in. This has NEVER failed since I started using it, and it requires no talking, just making sure you have built sufficient comfort and pick an appropriate time to do so.

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Cool, thanks Blondguy.

I tried variations "Did you see the 2 girls fighting outside?" as mentioned in The Game a few times, and never got any good results. The results ranged from "Yeah I did see it" (!!!), to just a shrug.

I also tried the "If I weren't gay, you would so be mine" opener (again from the Game) to which she said "No I wouldn't, because I have a boyfriend".

I had a friend just last weekend try the "5 Question Game" on a stripper and it actually scared her off.

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This shows a lot of points I think. Firstly, it's not what you say, but how you say it. Secondly, delivering canned material will be more likely to seem forced, whereas delivering material that is your own seems more authentic and congruent with your personality. And finally, that it's really not the opener that's important, but what you say AFTER. Those sets where you got a shrug or a yes, what were you expecting? Them to immediately be super into you and start talking immediately about themselves? If you get anything apart from them walking away or turning their back to you, then continue with the set for 5 minutes and see what happens. Just because they're not super enthusiastic about your opinion question doesn't mean they might not be interested

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Point taken, I do need to work on conversation skills. Usually I just deliver a line and then stand there thinking of what to say. I've had conversations that go like
Me: Line1
Her: shrug

Me: Line2
Her: smile

Me: Line3
Her: uh-huh

...

But yeah, I agree that delivery is important, and I never blamed the lines themselves.

While I usually create my own openers for congruency as well as my own philosophy of developing the skill set for the long term, I thought I would try the "I have amnesia, help me out, do I come here often?" since I thought it was funny and interesting. I walk up beside this blond at a club and open over the shoulder.

Me: *loud music* Hey I have amnesia *loud music*
Her: What?
Me: *loud music* I HAVE AMNESIA AND *loud music*
Her: *Strange Look*
Me: *more music* I WAS WONDERING.. ACTUALLY FORGET IT, HAVE A GOOD ONE *did I mention it was loud*

Mistake #1: Not waiting for her attention, man this is huge. Lot's of times when you're going to open you're excited like a racer waiting for the gun so he can run, if you don't wait until you get eye contact then the person might not even realize you're talking to them, or at the very least only catch part of what you say. This is compounded if you're in an environment where #2 can be a problem.

Mistake #2: Bad choice of opener for a very loud club. The louder the environment, the quicker and simpler your opener must be, complex openers, fun or not, just don't work when you have to scream them out.

there is some things I noticed that I want to ask about

Allot of these failed lines come from the game by Neil Strause. I also talk on the PUA chat and most of them don't agree with him but hes a MPUA. Should this mean that you should not go for his advise or is it the way people are using these lines. Most of communication is body language and voice tone. Maybe it was the time you chose to aproach

Routines suck. To everyone who uses routines: get a personality.

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Maybe it's because a lot of beginner's fail a lot, and a lot of beginners have just read The Game?

maybe its because people read the game and spam the lines out of it like no other?

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when people ask you "how are you?" and you usually say "not bad.. how are ya?"

it's also a routine that you use on daily basis.. there are many communication patterns we use. there is nothing wrong with them when they bring results

now, pickup is a difficult field because you have to:
1. being able have fun conversation
2. have an attractive body language (eye contact, not lean in, hands outside pockets, no weird shaking, smile, etc..)

it's impossible to focus at more than 1 thing at a time. this is why it's so important to first have a pre-script stuff that you can say, just like a comedian goes on stage. even though they are funny as hell and can make u piss in your pants. they would still use rehearsed material they practiced for lots of time. why? because it's fundamental stuff that makes most of the audience laugh. not only that, if you give the comedian some input or try to bust on him then he will an automated response which is funnier than yours. how's that so? simply because they have practiced it so many times and heard most of the lines.

hence, if you run always with same script. you can make the verbals on auto pilot, have responses on auto pilot which will let you focus on body language or dealing with her logistics / friends / whatever. this will give you consistency.

moreover, i have a natural friend. he fucked more than 400 girls. and you know what? he uses the same line over and over. he knows all the possible contingencies for whatever the girl might say to him.

it's very important HOW you say things but also important WHAT you say.

from personal experience i have been playing with some line a year ago. i tried it few times and it did not make any girls laugh. 6 months later, i changed my delivery and said it to 8 girls and all of them laughed their ass off 12 months later on some it worked and some it didn't. why?!? because my delivery and sub-communications were different.

feel free to check my blog and ask me more detailed questions
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when i first started off i used the old "who lies more , girls or boys?" and she basically replied with "thats the worst chat up line iv ever heard..now piss off!" haha needless to say my confidence was shattered but it never stopped me.

when i look back i deliverd it awfully (was realy nervous and bad body language) but hey we've all been there!