A few words first....

I've been doing online sarging for about a year now, I tested out a lot of routines and found out what works and what not. So I figured I should share them to help out those in the forum that haven't had any luck so far. Especially those that live in US.

A little about myself, I'm a decent 8 on the scale of 10 Asian male, I ain't rich, I'm not a genius either. Being Asian did put me at disadvantage, it's quite hard to go against the AFC Asian stereotype and pull off a BELIEVABLE natural alpha male frame. However, I did my best and overcame that, now it actually works in my favor, they indeed become quite fascinated and curious to find out about me when getting picked up by such a confident Asian who defies everything they expect to find in such stereotypes. Enough bragging huh? Why does this matter? If I can pull it off, meaning you yes, the white, African American, or Hispanic that are usually accompanied with strong alpha male stereotype can definitely do better than me.

I won't go over how to make an interesting profile, if you still don't know how, there are bunch of post in this forum that can point you to the right direction. This guide will focus more on how to land a date QUICKLY with the LEAST effort. And I'll also cover the 3 most popular dating sites in US: POF, OKC, and MyYearBook.

Getting started...

First, let's assume that you have a decent profile with nice pictures and give off a cool vibe instead of creepy. Now here comes the fun part, sending messages to the girls. You have to be proactive in this phrase, meaning you have to send out and initiate all the contact. Most of the time those girls won't message you first, even the fat ugly ones, unless you're fucking George Clooney, but of course if that is the case, why the fuck are you on dating sites?

I will tell you what routine that I found yielding the best result so far. But let's cover the basic in the mean time. It doesn't matter what I tell you, it would just be a mean to start off. You do need to work on INNER game and so on. When I started out, I landed couple first date, however I would never heard from them again. So I asked myself why? One day I decided to call up one of the girl, and she picked up, we chat, had small talk. Then I asked her why didn't it work out for us, she told me she found my personality in real life isn't congruent with the one I gave off from the profile.

Suck doesn't it? The whole "fake it till you make it" only get you so far, eventually your true frame will come out. So what do I really mean? DO NOT COPY WORDS FROM WORDS, add a little of your touch and personality in the profile and during messages exchanging. I know those routines are magic! But in the long run, they will hurt you if you can't back them up.

Here comes the important part....

This is the routine I'm using now, and had quite a high success rate, I would say around 7 out of 10. It's based off the Apocalypse Opener, however I twisted it a bit to suit my personality.

First message:

Make it a FUN test, RANDOM question!!!

Ex: Serious question.... you can only pick one, don't cheat! M&M, Skittles or blah blah blah?
Personally I would throw in a strawberry among those choice, because if you've heard of the strawberry field test from the Kokology book, it represents.... wait for it.... SEX. They dont know about it, but you do. This is IMPORTANT because now you can gauge how hard it is to get in their pants.
Of course, if you're not after the pure physical sex, you can put in choices that represent the trait you're looking for in a girl.

The point is make it FUN, RANDOM and CASUAL. I can't stress enough about this part, and please DO NOT ASK something creepy such as "doggy, missionary or cowgirl?"

Second message:

Here there are really only two options:

A. She picked one. Now what? Say anything, you can tease her choice, or you can make her qualify for it, it's up to you. I usually always LEAVE them wanting MORE. I would say something like "Actually those represent for certain popular traits in chicks... What an odd ...but interesting choice..." then I throw in another of my favorite THE ROLLERCOASTER kokology test which if you don't know, is test to find out the detailed break down of her sex life. But really ANY COLD READING ROUTINE works! I used that because again I want to gauge her sex drive.

B. She's being a smart ass and doesn't pick any of your choice, or picked something that not among them. It rarely happens, I only had 2 girls who did this so far. Now in this case, you tease her and make her quality herself, or you can just IGNORE it like handling a shit test and go on with your next test or cold reading.

Third message:

It doesn't matter what the FUCK she responded your second message with. THROW IN the Apocalypse Opener following by something you like about her.

"You're blah blah blah! Do you wanna come home with me tonight? "
In my case, I usually come up with something bizarre and totally random such as "I like your nose, do you wanna come home with me? "

Now there are only FOUR way this will do down with:
A. She bites and says anything similar to a YES. Hold your horse boys! Remember this could be a shit test, DO NOT appear to be TOO EAGER. Instead pull back a bit and reward her for having balls to take on such an offer.

B. She makes any sort of excuse such as "I would but blah blah blah". Don't worry you're still in, it's her ASD, again push and pull work great here as well as sexual banter. Make it LIGHT and PLAYFUL please!

C. She flat-out says NO, but hey if she bothers to reply, your foot is still in the door. Just do what they do to handle AO, IGNORE it and CHANGE the topic. It ALWAYS work! I haven't had any girl bail on me after that. If she's interested enough to stay in the conversation, you have a shot to try again later.

D. She bails, no response. Just move on to the next target!

Closing.....

I don't care what everyone else told you about number closing with online sarging. FORGET IT! No matter what you do, it might work wonder in REAL LIFE but strangly enough it always comes off as creepy and needy ONLINE. They always have second thought about it when you ask for their numbers, I'm speaking from experiences.

Instead now what I do is leave them with my number and tell them to send a PICTURE along with their text so I know who they are.

Bullshit? Why would it work?

Because you're just being nonchalantly throw your number out there, she will feel less vulnerable if you offer it. If she is interested, trust me, she will CONTACT you! This is why my routine ONLY consist of 3 messages, I leave when her level of interest is at peak. But by no mean you have to FOLLOW the exact same pattern, you can banter back and forth for a bit more. But if you see her starting to get a little eager and her response is getting longer. I know it's hard to resist such a temptation for a exhilarating conversation but that is your CUE. LEAVE HER WANTING MORE!

By the way, NEVER EVER EXPLAIN the cold reading or choices for them, FEED them a little with intrigue comments like I did. You will notice the difference in their level of INTEREST.

Now the picture part, why is it IMPORTANT? I do that for:
1. To test out their compliance, if they do what you tell them to do right off the bat, you know you run a solid game and their level of interest are high.
2. It's an DHV, you're subtly telling them that you have a busy life and quite a social circle, people contact you all the time and it's hard to tell who is who.

Also leaving your number, letting them THINK that they are in power, of course they are NOT. It works in your favor because now you can move on to the next target, and stop wasting time begging for numbers. If she's hooked, she will surely contact you. If not, who cares? You're already working on bunch of other girls.

Conclusion...

Now you can see why I stress about adding your touch into the routine and profile. Most of my example are quite random, bizarre and have fun-I-dont-care-about-shit vibe to it, because that how I am in real life. Later on when they see me on dates, they find my real personality is quite consistent with my online one. I might be over the top confident with my profile, but quite less in real life. But guess what? She DOESN'T CARE, because the ROUTINE was personal enough for her to get a FEEL of who you are. She UNDERSTANDS first date can be awkward with all the tension, you can get AWAY with it.

The KEY point is TAILORING the routine and choices/cold reading to your personality.

If you're a timid guy, of course fun, crazy choices aren't for you. Or if you rather a shy guy, then don't pick the sexual foods/choices to ask her. You GET the IDEA!

Now let's talk about the dating sites...

OKCUPID:
- Abuse their IM system, strangely enough OKC girls are more responsive with the IM, probably because they aren't flushed with IM invites like on POF. In fact, after the first message, if you see them have the IM option turns on, hit them up and run the routine just like messaging. But I found it more effective in chat because they don't have all day to think about the responses. Also when you want to leave, just use the excuse "Shit my laptop is running out of batter, text me so we can continue"
- Be less sexual aggressive on this site, most of them are there for friendship or serious relationship. They are mostly smart girls with degrees so BE PREPARE to handle their shit tests.
- Works best for 23-29 age range.

PLENTYOFFISH
- Don't even bother with the IM, most of them won't respond.
- Let your SEX BEAST out, but don't be STUPID like bunch of other horndogs on their. Use SEXUAL INNUENDOS, you don't have to SPELL it out for them.
- Age range is vary, but don't be surprise if a lot of them have kids.
- Abuse their MEET ME section. Any girl that "want to meet you", "added you as favorite" or just viewed your profile. That's your cue, HIT them up!
- POF has a lot of girls that is ready to go, meaning there are chances that they will show up at your door in 30 min after you throw them the AO

MYYEARBOOK
- Age range 16-22. Be careful please, even if they put 18 years old, use your BRAIN!
- Running game on here is a bit different since they are mostly emotionally immature. You can use the AO line if you're with their age range, over 25 and you're running the risk of being an old pervert.
- It's more simple you can just change your AO into something casual, like a movie, hookah, etc...
- Most of them are EXTREMELY HORNY, but there are lot of ATTENTION SEEKER also. The key here is FEED them a little of attention, then TAKE it away and MAKE them WORK for it again.
- Also your luck and look can be quite a factor here. Common they're young, they will go for any ripped cute guy.
I had this HB7 basically threw herself at me because she loves Asian culture, I told her to come hang out with me, she showed up at my door couple hours later and I put a movie on. 10 min into the movie, I was already inside her.

It sounds a little bit complicated doesn't it....Here's an example of how it works:
That is pretty much everything.... I will add more if I discover anything else... Hope this will help you guys in some ways. Cheer!

We'll see how this works for guys less attractive lol..

But lots of good information..and is pretty much how I've been handling things online, just having fun while conversing.

One thing that struck my interest; you mentioned the THE ROLLERCOASTER kokology test..........I've never heard of it, but hearing that it breaks down the details of her sex life, I'd like to learn it and give it a try...So could you explain it in detail, or direct me to a site which breaks it down and provides examples?

Normally I gauge them with those, and if I see fit I would sexual escalate right away and turn it into a SNL instead of dates. It works better for me than the shortcut to bang sluts way, because I can still run my normal game without being singled out by girls that aren't looking for sex.

Fun fact, so you can get an idea of how much shits I used to get for being Asian. This girl who I went on date with basically was on top of me in the car, giving me a handjob and told me "Damn it, I shouldn't have listened to my friend, I should have worn a skirt!" I asked "What did she say?". She replied "She said don't even bother, Asian guys have tiny cocks!"

I like some of your points (Giving your phone number). But the apocalypse part is unnecessary, most hot (or i would say glamour) girls are the types you find online. They think of the convo as a power struggle (maybe not consciously) and want you to give them all your cards showing your interest because they believe it shows weakness in a guy for some fucked up reason. (I say this mostly for developed countries.)

In my opinion the only girls that this would work on are the ones that have joined online to get DTF as soon as possible. They have small hints in their 'aboutme' that all they want is sex and really your going to get there one way or another.

PS. You've mentioned nothing about creating an 'Aboutme', This is in my opinion the MOST IMPORTANT PART. After contacting a girl she will most of the time be curious enough to read your profile. If your 'about me' is lame she won't bother contacting you back.

Want a good example of this?
I recently got into online, joined 3 online sites with a short lame aboutme saying im down to earth, relaxed and all that stuff thats actually true! but not interesting because it doesn't show the full me. Over a week 1 girl contacted me and 0/4 were interested in contacting me back.

Then I redid it, in 2 days I've had 7 girls try to contact me and 1/1 contact me back which means what I've written is attractive and now I can actually have some success contacting girls I like.

Your examples are not going to help a guy get laid because chatting requires inner game and giving off your personality through text. I respect you dude because you've been on this forum longer than me and for sure have more experience, in saying that you could have definitely created a better post in helping guys out.

Peace

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I disagree with you about the power struggle and show all your cards though, if you read my post, I talked about how to avoid all that. And the AO works wonder for me, with my i-dont-give-a-shit fun crazy vibe, that AO just blurs out naturally and does break away from my Asian stereotype. And chatting is my strong suit, that's why I always go for it.

I did mention I won't cover the about me section because there are lot of topics about that already. And you're right, these stuffs are tailor-made to my personality, it only serves as a guideline for those who want to try something new aside from what not working for them so far.

Not true, since I changed my aboutme I am getting constant contacts from fat chicks, some are average. I'm a 7 at best.
I don't see where you wrote that except for make the first message FUN. The power struggle happens before she has 'entered the game'. If she hasn't entered the game yet then your showing cards too early and she wins because she no longer has any interest (this is just an analogy.)

As for the Profile threads I couldn't find any, just thought if you made one of those threads it would be more useful.

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It might be true to your case, but again things like that are less likely to happen to me because I'm Asian, my chance to show up on their radar is very slim, especially on those site with filter search. I'm sure there are guys are going through the same thing. Taking initiate and being proactive is always a good thing to do in my opinion. If they message you first, great, if they are not, just message them.
If you notice, the messages I sent are mostly question with choices to AVOID sounding like an INTERVIEW, and let they THINK it's their idea to pick that choice to talk about, then I TEASE their choice or make them QUALIFY for it. And by feeding them just a LITTLE explanation for those test/cold reading but not all, I'm making them invest more while I still hasn't showed any real interest. Then by the 3rd one, I COMPLIMENT on one of their trait, thus showing my interest in them. Then the AO just blurts out as it seems that they finally got to me with their qualifyings.

I don't know why you think doing this is showing all my cards, I barely show interest till the end, and yet the whole conversation was all about her and what she picked, I didn't even reveal that much about myself.

You're thinking about this as a GUY, GIRLS logic is quite unpredictable. Instead of going over and over in your head, if you wonder if it works, just give it a try.

But I'll add an example of my conversation to you can get a better idea.

I don't really disagree that much with most of what you said taohackne, but the part I disagree with the most is the closing.
I have given girls my number before and it really has yet to work out. Granted I did my own thing which is kinda similar to your method as I do put in sexual undertones in my message, but not all the time.
Guess what leaving them your number is giving them power, saying otherwise is being naive or trying to turn a blind eye to it. Also leaving your number may tell her that you are desperate so saying it can be a DHV isn't really the case. Asking for her number or more I should say demand her number, ie "give me your number", is going to work more in your favor power wise and not make you look desperate. You may see this as begging, I don't, but either way at this point you are playing the waiting game. And you are just going to game the next girl anyway until either one of those two things happens and even then you most probably going to game more girls.

You can be sexually aggressive (I actually asked a girl outright if she like rough sex and she said yes), tho I would say with OkCupid that it is actually worth reading the girl's profile first as some do make it more apparent that they want to hookup and/or are frisky.
One thing I would say about POF is watch out for the crazies as well as the desperate girls.
While that does seem to be the core make up age wise there are a good number of girls that are 25+ on that site.
If the girl has 18 as an age on her profile best to read her about me as she may say she is actually xx age instead. But if I say if your 20+ in age to play things safe I would avoid any profile where the girl says she is 18. I know this may seem a bit much but rather be safe than sorry.

I totally agree, but in my case, I got more numbers that way than asking them for it. It also saves me the trouble of getting their number, text them then they play hard to get. With this I don't waste time on that whole bullshit and know right off the bat i'm gamed if she sent me a picture.

Giving out number itself isn't desperate, it's the way you do it. When I do, there is always a fun vibe to it or I remind her of something she wanted to find out but we haven't got a chance to get to that topic. And I always do it when her level of interest are high and I'm on the run, so basically I tell her "Look I'm busy, I have a life but you're fun enough to talk to, so here contact me if you're interested. If not, gluck, you're an awesome girl!". I show my willingness to walk away if she wants to play games (I mentioned it in my profile), I prefer that rather than waiting for her to decide whether she wants to give you her number or not.

Believe it or not this gives me some pretty good insight on where I stand in terms of being an Asian male. Thanks!

Hey everyone.
First of all, thanks for sharing, taohackne.

I'm kinda new to PUA, but I'm a pretty decent looking Asian male, so I do get phone number a lot on POF, mostly just copy and paste. (And am not racist, but I only go for White, Latino girls) However it's hard for me to get a date, only got one date so far. Guess my texting game sucks, really got nothing to talk about.

My question is, do you only text? call or mixed it up? Cause I have a few phone conversation with girls before, didn't go well, so I decided to just stick with the texting game, (so I have time to think how to response).
And also what is the best way or how to get a date.

Any advices would be much appreciated. Cheers.

I agree how you give her your number matters, but this doesn't remove the chance of her being able to view it as being desperate and/or giving up control.

Either way you are playing a waiting game so it really doesn't matter which path you take.

This is good stuff. Thank you for this

LOL Ok.....

So I was chatting with this girl for a short minute...

She lives around the same area as I do, and there is a small amusement park right around the corner. So I ask if she enjoys the rides..She says yeah, she likes them alot...I ask if she ever played the roller coaster game...She said "no, I dont think so.." So I said lets play then....Ok..
So I start with the roller coaster thing you mentioned..

Her reply: "What da fuck lol"


lol I thought her response was funny...but, what a waste of the roller coaster thing lol

Heres how that section of the conversation went:

ME: Have you ever played the roller coaster game?
HB: no, I dont think so
ME: Well its simple and you can even use your imagination! :p
*Roller coaster questions*
HB: what da fuck? lol
ME: What, did the part about using your imagination confuse you?
HB: too long lol
ME: ok...so you have trouble reading AND you're going to be a teacher?!



So far she hasn't replied...

I also noticed she is sending messages from the application...so she's using a phone while she's at work (local movie theater, she doesn't get off until late) I'd love for it to turn around and get her interested in fucking tonight or tomorrow....she has such lovely tits.

Actually I wouldn't prefer to let her know it's a game, there is a trick I used, I just go straight to the question instead of asking whether she plays it before. First, it keeps her as a surprised fun frame, second when you're not making it a GAME, she talks about those stuffs as if she's sharing emotional experiences with you. Hence she will have a false sense of DEEP connection.

You don't have to follow the script so closely, just change it around depending on the circumstance. In this case, when she mentioned about loving the rollercoasters, you can just say "Oh man, but those lines for it take forever, usually how long are you willing to wait for your turn?" then share "You know, I always feel blah blah blah on the top, what's about you?" You get the idea This way you can avoid making it like an interview by asking too many questions and building comfort as the same time by sharing. It flows better, just play around and have fun with it.

Keep us updated!