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Author:  Prince-Vince [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:57 am ]
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Okay so I've been in the pick up arts for about 6 weeks now. The materials I've looked at and studied have been The Game, Style's Anhilation method Dvd's with Rourke, Outback, Wise guy etc. Watched both seasons of VH1's The PUA. Also reading Revelation by Lovedrop, which is basically all about Mystery Method.

I've had about 7 Sarg's under my belt. These were my score cards
1st Sarg - 0 Number Close, but actually discovered that the materials really do work!
2nd Sarg - 1 number close, to which I had a day 2 but didn't want to pursue any further
3rd Sarg - 3 Number Closes, one Kiss Close with a HB9!!! She was a stunnerr!
4th Sarg - 3 Number Closes
5th Sarg - 1 Number close
6th Sarg - Opened 6 sets that night but had ZERO number closes
7th Sarg - Opened 6 sets again with ZERO number closes

And this is where I'm at SPAM. I can't help but feel discouraged by the 6th and 7th Sarg's. I do know my sticking points now. I have to work on micro-calibration and showing active disinterest and disqualifying.

My overall question is, is this nomal? I know I've got a lot to learn about the pick up arts.
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!

Author:  Brian Bond [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 5:45 am ]
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Honestly, i dont think that too much feedback can be given just by looking at your score card but i can tell you one thing: that parabolic effect can be due to your excess of confidence after the 3rd and 4th sarge, to the point of becoming couter productive. That kiss close and number close success could have made you so confident that you rush through the pick up stages, you dont apply the material correctly, or your "persona" is conflicting with your tagets.
With success, some ppl become so confident that think their gameplan is gonna work no matter what. You get so "addicted" to closing, that you want to do it as fast as possible... and you end up losing.
Take it slow. If you are past the opening phase, i would suggest you focus on effectiveness rather than quantity. You got 20 n/c and only 1 second day. You know what that tells me?! you can close, but you are not building enough connection. My advice is this: as soon as you are confortable number closing, start focusing on opening less lets but building more rapport, confort building, and aim for the second day. When you become successful getting second dates, you will feel SO MUCH MORE confident on approaching, because you know you can offer her a good time on the second day. Im gonna give you a personal piece of info: If i go out sarging on friday night, i will have something in mind to do on saturday afternoon (such as an event, going to the mall, whatever) ... if i sarge on saturday, will have something in mind for sunday. SOMETHING REAL, not made up in the moment of the pick up. If i see that i can numberclose my target, before i do, i will mention what i have in mind to do the next day. if i see she is interested, i will suggest she comes after i number close. ITS NOT LIKE IM TRYING TO SET UP A DATE, its something im doing regardless she is comming or not, im just alowing her to tag along!

Author:  pumpington [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:18 am ]
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focus on the process not the outcome

Author:  Prince-Vince [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:22 am ]
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Thanks for your words of wisdom guys, I defintetely will focus on quality rather than quantity next Sarg, building rapport and comfort! You are definetly right about me rushing through sets tho, in a typical night Sarging, we'll go to at least 4 different bars and our sort of goal is to Sarg each bar as quickly as possible and move on to the next. But now I know to focus on Comfort and Rapport. I will show this to my wing wing aswell. How long have you been involved in the Pick Up Arts?

Author:  Brian Bond [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:15 pm ]
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We all go through that phase when all we want is to open as many sets as possible, get past the approach anxiety and fear of rejection. If you sarge multiple venues per night, i would suggest you try this: focus on opening multiple sets on the first couple places. Get a confidence boost. Go for the close if possible, BUT, on the last bar you go to, focus on opening 1 set and be as successful as possible. Challange yourself. Instead of you number closing her, try having her number closing you, or even if you dont get her number, suggest her to go back to that place the following weekend or something. Believe me, its way more challanging and interesting to focus on building confort to the point of getting her to ask for your number... BUT its wayyyyyy more rewarding! I prefer to number close 1 solid number on one night, than to opne 10 sets, get 5 numbers, and 1 second day!
I have been involved in this for almost 2 years now. It all started with skepticism and curiosity. I had a girlfriend at the time. We broke up almost 1 year after i got involved in the community. I used to promote nightlife events such as nightclubs, bars, etc. I was always fascinated by the interaction between opposite sexes. I would have fun just looking at guys appoaching girls at the nightclubs i was promoting at. Although i was "studing" pick up theory while i was with my girl, i wouldnt realy apply it. I would meet girls and stuff, number close, but that would be it. When i became single, i decided to go further. Right now, i dont even go "sarge" anymore. Like i said, i go out, i see a group of girls i like, i approach and i usually stick to them. I realized thats the best way of meeting girls! Get a good connection with them, and they will introduce you friends of hers... call you to go out with them, and her friends. You meet up 2 girls one night, next night you meet 10 of her friends... and they make your job way easier ... pre-sellection ;)

Author:  Don Draper [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:21 pm ]
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If I am not wrong, you got 7-8 numbers in 7 sarges. An average of one per sarge, that's pretty good.

Now, why don't you build some attraction with those girls instead of mindlessly grabbing more and more digits from new women everyday?

Author:  TheFreshPrince [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:23 pm ]
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I'm with Don. Numbers don't mean anything unless you use them.

7 Numbers... That's enough of them (if these girls are serious), to have one every day of the week. What more could you want without burning through a few numbers? ;)

Author:  ProfessorX [ Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:04 pm ]
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Pick a method and work it for a while, reading everything will just screw you up.

Author:  Prince-Vince [ Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:14 am ]
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This is my first post, and I was skeptical in even getting a reply from someone, but all you guys fkn rock! Its so good to know that us newbies have a wealth of support from experienced PUA's.

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