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Author:  WildePUA [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:55 am ]
Post subject:  Escalating from the opener

I usually have no trouble with this, however the other night I opened a 2 set in the smoking area, and after a minute or two my wing came in and took on the obstacle. I got away from the opener and told a good DHV story I like to use, but this girl kept wanting to talk about the opener, about a text I once got after seeing a girl for a week asking "are we boyfriend and girlfriend?"

They were a warm up set, so my wing didn't feel bad about ejecting after getting hte number close, leaving me with both girls again. I ejected straight after, feeling dejected.

Has anyone else had this problem? was it just the girl? or is there some way I can deal with this better?

Author:  TheFreshPrince [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:51 pm ]
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I don't quite see your problem. You opened some girls, and got a number. What did you see was the problem?

Unless you didn't like it because you didn't get to use some other routine you had set up...

This is a problem I see with a lot of MM people on here. You have set up "what you're going to say", have memorized routines, and so you think you have to stick to the deal. Following a script like that is just going to turn you into a performer. PU should be fluid. The point of an opener is to OPEN. That means, get her talking. If she wants to spend the next 5 hours or the next 2 seconds talking about the opener, who cares? The point is to throw things like DHV into your normal conversation, not just have a "DHV story" that you tell every once in a while. That's why you learn PU.

In my opinion, (and with the information given), I think you should have stuck with the set, since you were hitting it off, and had your buddy stuck around to continue running interference. I'm willing to bet anything you could have f-closed her that night.

You speak of "warming up", and that's fine, but that suggests that you went up to her, knowing that you weren't going to f-close her, but that she was the next stepping stone to your ultimate close for the night, like she was practice. Let me tell you something: Every girl you approach, EVER, is "practice". Every set is a warm up set. And every set should be seen as a possibility, an opportunity to f-close.

Author:  charblad [ Fri Jul 29, 2011 5:54 pm ]
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TheFreshPrince is right, there is no script, just suggestions and knowledge of somethings that work. The point is to know what to do, how and when to do it, and why it works, that way when a change comes along you can substitute a DHV story and instead save someone thats choking for instance. The game changes everyday, so do routines

Author:  WildePUA [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:15 am ]
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Cheers fresh, I think you guys are right. I just had some trouble running DHV which is why I considered it a faliure, but if my wing had stayed in set It most likely could have gone somewhere

Author:  pumpington [ Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:36 am ]
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you can just go with it, or if it is a routine and not true (why these stupid gay indirect homo lines suck balls) and you need to avoid it, just break report cut the thread and start a new one,

for example,
her: what about that friends girlfriend blah blah
you: hey how tall are you? (put hands on her)
her:ummm blah blah
you:*transition*


she brings it up again just continue breaking report
tease her/go sexual/just randomly blurt out inturupts that break the convo/back turn and ignore

break report then change thread, it is that simple, if your in frame control then you don't have to work on her threads at all, just make your own and dominate conversation, just get used to doing this, if she calls you out on it, say, listen lets not get into details

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