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Author:  Lava [ Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Direct approach
Hi all,

A question about being direct. All my life I was raised and treated to be direct with people, no bullshit, getting to the point. Probably why I'm an AFC learning female language of hints! I still want to be myself and be direct with women just like with everything in life. My fear is being too direct or come accross as creepy (and yes, I do care about my reputation as I'm in a closed system). At what stage do you just let a girl know that you like her? hell I would do it even if she sees me as just a friend just for the sake of being honest. My main question is, how do you convey interest without saying it verbally? I think this is where my game needs major maintenance. Help is much appreciated
Author:  pumpington [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:44 am ]
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you don't,

HAVE FUCKING HAVE TO SHOW INTEREST

HAVE TO!!!

without verbally showing interest/intent physical escalation will telegraph sexual interest for sure

direct = interest before girl shows it,
indirect = interest after girl shows it,

direct you start with an opener with a statement of interest,
indirect you open with no interest, you then have a social convo,
wait for interest to be shown (MM wait for 3 ioi's) then qualify her and start showing interest,

you always show interest, GUYS HIT ON GIRLS, that is how it works, you have a misconception about the game, also creepy is just a word girls use for UGLY/socially awkward people, if a handsome, popular guy does the exact same thing, it is sexy, and trust me it is not the sub-communication

if your ugly you will save yourself some ego if you go indirect, if your hot, go direct go direct go direct
Author:  Bl0wMe [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:45 am ]
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My main question is, how do you convey interest without saying it verbally?

Well assuming that you're a generally interesting person to talk to and know how to get a good conversation going with a girl, then the answer is pretty simple. Go Kino!

Body language is way more powerful than any type of verbal language. (Except for swearing, lol JK)

Playfully touching and punching etc, is a really good way to get a girl interested in you and build some comfort. I recommend stuff like versing her in thumb wars, teaching her a secret handshake and giving her a pat on the back when she's upset and going 'there, there, it'll all be okayy' are good ways to convey interest non-verbally and get some in return. It also sets a playful mood which is very important for building attraction.
Basically learn to kino escalate and work on your body language. :)

I would also take a look into push-pull and negs if you're interested in displaying interest subtly without the risk of being shut down.

Hope i helped, Good Luck!
Author:  LD [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:39 pm ]
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Hi man.

Personally, i love direct people. You should be glad that you are raised that way. If i was you, i wouldnt change that. i would see it as an advantage and use it. The only thing you need to stop worrying about what others might think when you are direct about showing interest to the other sex. Who cares what they think. You should go for what it is in you want in life.

I wonder why you think that it is messing up your game. Besides, being direct is not really some sort of a pua technique, its a way of living your life. Being truthful to others and mostly yourself. in other words, go for what it is you want. Nobody will think you are creepy. I would rather be seen as the person that goes for what he wants in this closed system of yours. In my opinion, there is no stage or phase in which you should show interest. You fear of coming across as being creepy, yet you would try stupid manipulative tricks to say something simple. Dont fool yourself.

Some years ago, i read about Mode one and radical honesty. It changed my vision on life and it changed my life. My closed friends were shocked by the result. i lost some of them. So be it, seems like they cant handle raw truth. Fear is the main reason why people miss out the best part of life.

Get real and stay honest. Stay real and be direct.

cheers
Author:  Lava [ Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:37 pm ]
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Pumpington, maybe I'm not aware of all the terminology but the whole community thing sucks, I wouldn't want a girl I tricked or manipulated into my bed. Hell, I'll stay a virgin til I die than live a wonderful lie.

LD, thats exactly what I'm all about, just live my life honestly...I understand the importance of kino escalation only because its mentioned a lot in posts, but from experience, does it 100% build attraction? if so I would clearly expect more shit tests and more IOIs, I need a comment on this one!

Thanks to each of you
Author:  LD [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:52 am ]
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Quote:
Pumpington, maybe I'm not aware of all the terminology but the whole community thing sucks, I wouldn't want a girl I tricked or manipulated into my bed. Hell, I'll stay a virgin til I die than live a wonderful lie.

LD, thats exactly what I'm all about, just live my life honestly...I understand the importance of kino escalation only because its mentioned a lot in posts, but from experience, does it 100% build attraction? if so I would clearly expect more shit tests and more IOIs, I need a comment on this one!

Thanks to each of you
Hi mate.

Imo, there is no such thing as building attraction. But that is not the topic here. doing kino and escalating it is not 100% effective. Some people will not like it. Then dont do it, leave her, NEXT!!!. Also, lots of people will like it, and they will not always give you shit tests nor will they give you IOIs. The main thought should be that you should invoke a reaction, trigger one. Either a good or a bad one. So if you dont get a response, amp up the kino. Go one small step further, until you reach that trigger and get a reaction. If it is a negative one, but not one that clearly says: stop it freak, i dont like you, turn down your kino and start over again.

Ill give more examples when i get home. I am on a run to work SPAM.

cheers
Author:  lolaskate [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:08 am ]
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Direct is not AFC, Indirect is not AFC either.

Direct shows confidence.

Confidence is attractive.

So if you still think your an AFC for being direct. You are at least an attractive AFC
Author:  pumpington [ Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:00 pm ]
Post subject: 
Quote:
you don't,

YOU HAVE , FUCKING HAVE TO SHOW INTEREST

YOU HAVE TO!!!

without verbally showing interest/intent physical escalation will telegraph sexual interest for sure

direct = interest before girl shows it,
indirect = interest after girl shows it,

direct you start with an opener with a statement of interest,
indirect you open with no interest, you then have a social convo,
wait for interest to be shown (MM wait for 3 ioi's) then qualify her and start showing interest,

you always show interest, GUYS HIT ON GIRLS, that is how it works, you have a misconception about the game, also creepy is just a word girls use for UGLY/socially awkward people, if a handsome, popular guy does the exact same thing, it is sexy, and trust me it is not the sub-communication

if your ugly you will save yourself some ego if you go indirect, if your hot, go direct go direct go direct
*correction to my post as i cant edit at this point*
Quote:
Pumpington, maybe I'm not aware of all the terminology but the whole community thing sucks, I wouldn't want a girl I tricked or manipulated into my bed. Hell, I'll stay a virgin til I die than live a wonderful lie.

LD, thats exactly what I'm all about, just live my life honestly...I understand the importance of kino escalation only because its mentioned a lot in posts, but from experience, does it 100% build attraction? if so I would clearly expect more shit tests and more IOIs, I need a comment on this one!

Thanks to each of you
don't understand your reply, where in my post did i say manipulate someone?, the whole idea of not showing interest in a person who you are interested in, seems manipulative to me,
indirect = show interest after her,
direct = show interest before she does,

ioi = indicator of interest, girl does 3 things during a neutral conversation that you deem as interest towards you, you then have a good INDICATION that this ''GIRL'' is INTERESTED

qualify is a technique, to show interest in a girl, you find qualities that you genuinely want in a girl and see if she ''QUALIFIES'' to be with you, then you ''SHOW INTEREST'' by ''HITTING ON HER'' get where im going with this?
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