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Author:  Scandinavianviking [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:01 pm ]
Post subject:  I find it hard to pretend I'm interested in her as a person
So I was out last night with a couple of friends.
I must admit I don't have much game, but that's not because I'm shy but because I spent all my time getting a master's degree, and an awesome job. When I'm not working, I'm at the gym lifting weights. Always.

I'm not really a "people person" either, and I don't find the idea of "getting to know new people" fascinating. In fact I think its annoying when I get to many text messages from too many people who want to know "how I'm doing" and stuff like that. I shouldn't complain about having too many friends I guess, but the matter of fact is that I think having four or five good friends is more than enough.

One of the guys I was hanging out with has slept with about 130 women. I've slept with only 22, but 15 of those have been in the last 10 months.
I noticed that when he was talking to some retarded 18 year old chicks (he's 31) he managed to show enthusiasm and pretend to be interested.
I on the other hand ran out of things to say after three sentences or so. I mean, how am I supposed to fake interest (believably) when I ask a chick was she does for a living and she says "I sell hamburgers at McDonald's". I wanted to offer my condolences, but I'm not sure she would have taken that as a neg or an insult. I'm not sure I would have meant it as a neg and not an insult either. :roll:

So I'm doing some light kino after making her talk about herself later that evening (after we got her and some of her friends back to my friends apartment) but again I find it hard to fake interest. After she goes out to smoke I caught myself thinking "I haven't gone six years to university and spent thousands of hours in the gym for this shit. That girl's not even very hot - if anything she should be gaming ME!" So I left and got some sleep instead.

....also I would rather be caught dead than wear outrageous clothes and pull fucking rabbits out of my ass as a party trick like some of Mystery's followers do. I did not spend six years at university to be some sort of fucking party clown either.
I also find it degrading and below my dignity to "plow" 50 girls at a night club to get a couple of phone numbers.

So - how do you guys keep the conversation going when the girl is dumb as fuck and has absolutely nothing going for her in her life worth talking about???

P.S.: I know I come across as an asshole in this post, but I'm bitter that I'm reduced to this shit when I feel that I'm fucking entitled to a hot, intelligent girlfriend instead of screwing braindead bimbos and MILFs and faking interest in high school drop-outs.
Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:28 pm ]
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You said it in your last paragraph, you think you're entitled to a hot chick and they should just worship you just because you got a good job and biceps. Guess what, no one else thinks your entitled to a hot chick just because of your job or your biceps, proof is in the pudding, if you're not pulling hot chicks left and right then obviously YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO THEM!!!

Your lack of interest stems from a huge superiority complex. And it's funny a guy like me who never went to university and never works out has had sex with more women than you.
Author:  pumpington [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:28 pm ]
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lol, pretty simple, find a girl who you genuinely find interesting, instead of trying to bang a girl only for her looks, then becomming irritated because you don't want to put in the work to do it, now if you wan't to bang girls for their looks, and not need to show interest in them and cut the shit, then be more direct, and stop pussy footing around, if you are as goodlooking/physically fit, as you seem to claim direct should be the answers to your prayers,

just start using the armageddon opener, or be really direct, escalate fast, and during resistance points, keep blaming the fast escalation/directness on her,

ie. you shouldn't dress so sexy, i don't want to touch you but you make it so hard, etc. whole bunch of shit like this, also start out by saying well im only here to hit on you and try to get into your pants, say this within the first three minutes of the interaction, you will quickly know right away if it is on or not,

if you are not willing to actually approach multiple sets then you are being ridiculous, there is no magic pill that will get you 100% CLOSES on every set you approach and WOW YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO TALK TO THEM, you really wanna fuck them BUT JUST DONT LIKE THEM, the whole idea is funny, either go indirect and hit a whole bunch of sets and focus on qualifying and next them if you don't like them, even if they are good looking enough, JUST KEEP GIVING THE NEXT, untill you meet a girl who actually emotionally interests you, if not do above direct method, you will get more blowouts, but you will also get laid and not have to do much, ''getting to know them''
Author:  Scandinavianviking [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:35 pm ]
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You said it in your last paragraph, you think you're entitled to a hot chick and they should just worship you just because you got a good job and biceps. Guess what, no one else thinks your entitled to a hot chick just because of your job or your biceps, proof is in the pudding, if you're not pulling hot chicks left and right then obviously YOU'RE NOT ENTITLED TO THEM!!!
Yeah, I know. Nobody is entitled to a person. But I feel I'm entitled to it anyway. By being better than others.
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Your lack of interest stems from a huge superiority complex.
Yeah, I'm a narcissist.
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And it's funny a guy like me who never went to university and never works out has had sex with more women than you.
Then again - I never bothered trying much until recently.
Besides if you hit on 100 girls each night and get five phone numbers, you'll sleep with more women than me. That's fine if you like those numbers, but getting a rejection rate of 95% is below my dignity.

You probably have more game than me, which is fine. I shouldn't need "game" anyway - being myself should be more than enough. I kick ass.
Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:38 pm ]
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I shouldn't need "game" anyway - being myself should be more than enough. I kick ass.
Apparently not though. You obviously DO need game, that's why your here. You just have to accept that job/muscles isn't enough.
Author:  Scandinavianviking [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:39 pm ]
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lol, pretty simple, find a girl who you genuinely find interesting,
That's like finding a needle in a haystack.
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if you are as goodlooking/physically fit, as you seem to claim direct should be the answers to your prayers,
I'm fit - that doesn't mean I'm good looking. My body might be an 8, but my face is probably no more than a 5.
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if you are not willing to actually approach multiple sets then you are being ridiculous, there is no magic pill that will get you 100% CLOSES on every set you approach and WOW YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO TALK TO THEM, you really wanna fuck them BUT JUST DONT LIKE THEM, the whole idea is funny, either go indirect and hit a whole bunch of sets and focus on qualifying and next them if you don't like them, even if they are good looking enough, JUST KEEP GIVING THE NEXT, untill you meet a girl who actually emotionally interests you, if not do above direct method, you will get more blowouts, but you will also get laid and not have to do much, ''getting to know them''

But by using the indirect method, one has to fake interest somehow. What topics do you talk about when nothing in her life has any interest to you, and you don't do f-ing magic tricks?
Author:  Scandinavianviking [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:40 pm ]
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I shouldn't need "game" anyway - being myself should be more than enough. I kick ass.
Apparently not though. You obviously DO need game, that's why your here. You just have to accept that job/muscles isn't enough.
That's why I'm bitter - 'cus it SHOULD be.
Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:49 pm ]
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That's why I'm bitter - 'cus it SHOULD be.
But it AINT!!! Deal with it
Author:  d27sld [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:29 pm ]
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I think it's very healthy for you to think highly of yourself, very healthy for you to have confidence and think that you deserve great women.

However I do not think it is healthy to be resentful.

if there is anything you should deal with first it's your resentment. Everyone else in the world is just doing what THEY think they want or should be doing. They are doing the best with what they have.

If that does not include pandering to you, you have to find a way of demonstrating that you deserve their attention or leave them alone.

But resenting having to make an effort for another person is twisted. Thats the issue you need to deal with first.

Thy reading 'The power of Now' (or listen to the audio book) and pay attention to the section on accepting the now (or accepting the way things are!). Then when you accept people are the way they are and it's wrong to resent it, you can start formulating a plan to make it work to your advantage.

Do not fight life! Work with it!
Author:  pumpington [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:40 pm ]
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lol, pretty simple, find a girl who you genuinely find interesting,
That's like finding a needle in a haystack.
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if you are as goodlooking/physically fit, as you seem to claim direct should be the answers to your prayers,
I'm fit - that doesn't mean I'm good looking. My body might be an 8, but my face is probably no more than a 5.
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if you are not willing to actually approach multiple sets then you are being ridiculous, there is no magic pill that will get you 100% CLOSES on every set you approach and WOW YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO TALK TO THEM, you really wanna fuck them BUT JUST DONT LIKE THEM, the whole idea is funny, either go indirect and hit a whole bunch of sets and focus on qualifying and next them if you don't like them, even if they are good looking enough, JUST KEEP GIVING THE NEXT, untill you meet a girl who actually emotionally interests you, if not do above direct method, you will get more blowouts, but you will also get laid and not have to do much, ''getting to know them''

But by using the indirect method, one has to fake interest somehow. What topics do you talk about when nothing in her life has any interest to you, and you don't do f-ing magic tricks?
INDIRECT = SHOWING INTEREST AFTER HER,
DIRECT = SHOWING INTEREST BEFORE HER,
write out a list of qualities you want in a woman, now figure out some ways to lead a person into answering questions that screen for those qualitys, if you are not creative then go interview style, start with your questions that are yes or no, the questions that seem like they require more of a personal investment to answer stack them for later in your convo, basicly you talk about her, because if you talk about you, and do it wrong, she will disqualify you, this is how the game works, girls are more selective over who they sleep with then guys are, with reason, they get pregnant not us, they are generally more shallow and personality matters alot more to them... so try not to showcase yours because narssacism is a huge turn off to women, and when that becomes boaring, talk about sex, if you don't know how, start by talking about relationships in general then lead into sex (FUCKING STAY AWAY FROM TALKING ABOUT BAD RELATIONSHIPS) also use discression, do not talk specifics about specific girls, and if she leads you to do so, say, sorry but i like to be discreet, hopefully you have been kino escalating the whole time and by this time you can isolate and close, if you cant man the fuck up, and have a 20min-3hour long talk in order to get laid, then you have big problems and should seek professional counseling, you might be depressed or have some sort of a personality/anxiety disorder
Author:  EddieFews [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:20 pm ]
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Honestly bro, stop bitching about what should and shouldn't be and get out there and make a change in your life. Your obviously hanging out in the wrong places if the women you meet are highschool dropp out super sizers. Go to classier places where the women are doing something with themselves or just shut up and stop bitching. You have the power to change your circumstance instead of venting to a bunch of guys on the internet about how bad your life sucks.

And P.S. 100 women 5 numbers? That's retarded... You can at least pull 50 for a hundred on a bad night if you change your attitude.

Smh all that school without a lick of social intelligence...
Author:  here2play [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:44 pm ]
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Part of the reason for your discontent is you are the living embodyment of what women fear most and what parents train their daughters to avoid like the plague.

I think you are also the living embodyment of what gives PUA a bad name and what people fear most of men getting into PUA, and that is a guy who is just trying to manipulate and fake his way into women's pants.

If your score of 22 is honest then you are probably also living proof that assholes score.

The problem for you is that dimwhit skanks with low self-esteem are going to be the ones most likely to spread their legs for mysoginists.

Women of class and character that have a sense of self-worth will see your anger and bitterness and the lack of character that you have and will likely run the other way.

It could be that the reason your buddy 'looks' like he is interested is because he actually IS interested. You just can't understand him being interested and think he must be faking it since you are such an arrogant, self-centered, mysoginistic person.

People are like water, they seek their own level. A woman that is going to be interested in self-entitled, self-absorbed, mysoginistic predator is also going to be a bottomfeeder that lacks a sense of self-worth, pride and value of herself.

You are pulling bottomfeeders because your attitude towards yourself and towards women are such that quality, classy women of character can see that you are damaged goods.

You may have an advanced degree and a buff body but most women of quality are able to look deeper than that and judge a man by his character as well. And your's is, well, rather troublesome.

You can fake a tan. You can tone some muscles. You can learn facts and concepts and get the grades needed for a degree. You can even learn pick up lines and routines but you can not fake character or fake actually liking and appreciating people. Those have to be innate and come from within.

the buff body and bad boy attitude may help you pull one-nighters from drunk bimbos in bars but anything meaningfull from a quality woman that is sober and actually has her eyes open is probably not in the cards.

If you really are this way and aren't just some troll trying to stir things up, I feel sorry for any chick that crosses your path.
Author:  vicparkguy83 [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:50 pm ]
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If your score of 22 is honest then you are probably also living proof that assholes score.
Considering the guy is around 30 (cause of his mates age) and that he works out all the time and has money, I think 22 is actually a pretty low score.
Author:  Scandinavianviking [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:34 pm ]
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I think you are also the living embodyment of what gives PUA a bad name and what people fear most of men getting into PUA, and that is a guy who is just trying to manipulate and fake his way into women's pants.
Manipulation is what PUAs are all about (I'm not pretending to be a PUA, by the way). Even Nail Strauss himself admits that they were just going through scripted routines and pressing the right buttons in order to get women naked. "Its not lying - its flirting" he wrote.
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If your score of 22 is honest then you are probably also living proof that assholes score.
Not really. Its a pretty low score. But its true that I got 19 of those 22 after switching from being a "nice guy" to being arrogant.
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The problem for you is that dimwhit skanks with low self-esteem are going to be the ones most likely to spread their legs for mysoginists.
I'm not a misogynist (spelled correctly). I love women. In fact I get along great with all the girls in our office, and I think the world of them. They have intelligence and class. The girls I described in my first post were the ones without such qualities. I find it hard to keep a conversation going with them, because they are so boring. So I wanted to know how to get past that obstacle and into their pants.
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Women of class and character that have a sense of self-worth will see your anger and bitterness and the lack of character that you have and will likely run the other way.
I have a lot of anger and bitterness, but not lack of character I think.
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It could be that the reason your buddy 'looks' like he is interested is because he actually IS interested. You just can't understand him being interested and think he must be faking it since you are such an arrogant, self-centered, mysoginistic person.
I treat the girls I sleep with very well. Kind of like "one night girlfriends" actually. I even stay after sex and cuddle. :)
My friend on the other hand once brought a girl into the basement of his apartment building, screwed her in the laundry room and then told her to wait while he "got something". He then ran into his apartment, locked the door and went to sleep leaving her down there in the dark.
When I asked him why he did that, he laughed and said that he didn't want to spend a single second with her after he was finished screwing her.

I would NEVER do something like that, by the way. His score is 134, by the way.
Author:  Scandinavianviking [ Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:54 pm ]
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OK - so I was a bit pissed off when I wrote the first post. I meant what I wrote, but I might have been a bit too much of an a-hole when choosing my words.

What I wanted to communicate was, in a less boorish manner:

I find it hard to keep a conversation going with someone who has low ambitions and/or no education and/or low IQ.
With girls that are educated things are completely different, but I can't remember the last time I spoke to a good looking girl in her 20s who had a high IQ and was single.

How do you deal with a situation where the girl is not contributing to the conversation and does have much going for her that you can use to keep the conversation going?
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