PUA Forum :: Approached a 2-set, please help

I was out with my wing in lounge type cafe. Decided to approach a two-set(one HB, only UG). As always UG was more active,asking me lots of questions( although I did not let her lead the conversation most of the time), while the HB was quiet, a little shy, but nice. Long story short, I have several questions and would really appreciate your input.

1. I did not ask my wing to join me because they looked tired and I felt they would not agree to go to a club, so I just arranged a day two and said that I should go back to my friend(I used a false time constraint in the beginning). Should I have stayed with them all the way until they left in order to have used the time to build more attraction/comfort to avoid flaking?
2. When I suggested swapping numbers, the UG was first to give me her number. The HB would have given her number as well, but I didn't want to push it to not be cock blocked by the UG. This seems to a huge problem for me. What should I do in these sorts of situations?

THANKS

Author:	ALSK1001 [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:53 am ]
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I was out with my wing in lounge type cafe. Decided to approach a two-set(one HB, only UG). As always UG was more active,asking me lots of questions( although I did not let her lead the conversation most of the time), while the HB was quiet, a little shy, but nice. Long story short, I have several questions and would really appreciate your input. 1. I did not ask my wing to join me because they looked tired and I felt they would not agree to go to a club, so I just arranged a day two and said that I should go back to my friend(I used a false time constraint in the beginning). Should I have stayed with them all the way until they left in order to have used the time to build more attraction/comfort to avoid flaking? 2. When I suggested swapping numbers, the UG was first to give me her number. The HB would have given her number as well, but I didn't want to push it to not be cock blocked by the UG. This seems to a huge problem for me. What should I do in these sorts of situations? THANKS

Author:	Xtensity [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:43 am ]
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Maybe neg and ioi a bit on the HB, a sort of push pull scenario.. to where you make her want to give you her number. Ideally... a good PUA shouldn't even need to ask for the number, instead doing what he can so they offer their numbers.

Author:	psychx [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:22 am ]
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In response to your inquiry, it's not plausible to give a solid answer on what "should" you have done, rather, there were different options and scenarios that could have played on depending on different choices you could have made. This isn't saying that you necessarily did anything wrong. But I'll try to critique what you have laid out in a constructive criticism manner. - You didn't introduce your wing: This is bad, because it lowers yours and his value. Why? Well, if you're hanging with your friend, why isn't he good enough to bring to the two ladies you were talking too? - You didn't get the HB's number: This is a big "NO." I've made this mistake many times, so I speak from experience. When you don't get the HB's number, what often times happens is if the two girls were good friends with each other the HB will think that you truly are interested in the UG. This will cause the HB to back off and not pursue or let you pursue anything further. Not to burst your bubble, but this mistake may alone have ruined all your chances with this HB. - Maybe you should have built up more rapport with them. I've learned from experience that if you get a number-close and you leave directly after, you almost all the time get flaked on. You seem to "objective" like you're on some kind of mission if you leave directly after a number-close. Not to mention there is a huge level of "buyer's remorse" when meeting people out in the clubs to bridge time gaps (I know Gambler goes into a fair amount of explication on buyer's remorse). But flaking is kept to a minimum if fair amounts of rapport are created between you, the HB, and the HB's friends. Remember the HB doesn't want to say to her friends the next day "Oh, I'm hanging out with that guy I met at the bar today." But if all her friends had your favor as well, you have a much lesser chance of getting flaked on. Best of luck to your conquest with the two set you met. If you get flaked on or it leads no where, "charge on soldier!"

Author:	psychx [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:24 am ]
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Quote: Maybe neg and ioi a bit on the HB, a sort of push pull scenario.. to where you make her want to give you her number. Ideally... a good PUA shouldn't even need to ask for the number, instead doing what he can so they offer their numbers. Honestly that's not even realistic. PUA or AFC, number-closing is a very important part of pick-up. Would it be realistic for me to say "a good PUA doesn't need to move in for the kiss-close, the good PUA waits to be kissed." This would lessen servilely how many times you kiss women!

Author:	chill46 [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:57 am ]
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Quote: I was out with my wing in lounge type cafe. Decided to approach a two-set(one HB, only UG). As always UG was more active,asking me lots of questions( although I did not let her lead the conversation most of the time), while the HB was quiet, a little shy, but nice. Long story short, I have several questions and would really appreciate your input. 1. I did not ask my wing to join me because they looked tired and I felt they would not agree to go to a club, so I just arranged a day two and said that I should go back to my friend(I used a false time constraint in the beginning). Should I have stayed with them all the way until they left in order to have used the time to build more attraction/comfort to avoid flaking? 2. When I suggested swapping numbers, the UG was first to give me her number. The HB would have given her number as well, but I didn't want to push it to not be cock blocked by the UG. This seems to a huge problem for me. What should I do in these sorts of situations? THANKS ok the past is the past we cant change what you did in this interaction, the only thing we can do is learn from this. Go for what you want. If you want HB's number go for her number why would you go after a girl's number that you are not interested in? i would only go after the friends number as a ultimatum. if she was uncomfortable giving hers and maybe suggest to hang out with both of them at once. IMO introducing the wing is completely unnecessary in this situation. From what i get your wing didnt come into set with you in which case doesnt need a intro. If i were in your situation i would go direct on the HB thru the friend. Had to say your friend is absolutely adorable. Screen the Hb while keeping the friend involved. and go for the #close you want. Dont be a wuss. Go for what you want. they might say no but some will say yes. If you get a no, change the subject and try again.

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Author:	Don Draper [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:41 am ]
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I just see one flaw which ruined the attempt. Isolation. You should have isolated your target from her friend. And don't worry about her friend cock blocking, if she was interested she'd have women coded to her that she'll be okay. Next time, keep your eyes on your goal.

Author:	ALSK1001 [ Sat Jul 16, 2011 12:54 pm ]
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Thanks everyone for the replies. As for the isolation, I think it's near impossible without a wing. How would you have separated a two set you just met in cafe? I mean you can't game a target in front of her friend and she would not just leave her friend sitting there alone. As for the phone number, I've tried asking the HB for her phone number after the UG gave me hers previously and the UG said that they live together or any other lame excuse so one number should be sufficient (they didn't flake afterwards). Anyway, is isolation at all possible without a wing in a 2-set? It probably is, it's just too damn hard, especially in a cafe. Any further advice is appreciated.

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