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| Author: | Yuphahaha [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Club game in USA, what's your structure? |
I'm curious how you guys run your club/loud music venue game. And what is your success rate? I have been working on this for a few months going clubbing 1-2 times a week. My problem is I'm at about 50% success that I close a girl k and or #. I want to be able to get atleast 1 girl each night I go clubbing. Instea of having 1 good and 1 ok night. I'm usually in the club from 1030-130 so about 3 hours to find that girl for the night. I go to san francisco and San Jose clubs and I usually only meet/close 1-2 women per week. While increasing # is nice. What I'm after however is just consistency. So what does your club game look like? Ae what do you do? |
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| Author: | Warped Mindless [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:33 pm ] |
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My club game: Open -> escalate -> face resistance -> plow thru -> escalate (repeat as necessary) -> close. |
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| Author: | Yuphahaha [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:41 pm ] |
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Quote: My club game:
Are you doing anything special during opening?Open -> escalate -> face resistance -> plow thru -> escalate (repeat as necessary) -> close. The reason I ask is because on the nights that I don't close any girls is the same night that I'm receiving resistance during the opening. Ae: saying no to a dance from the start. There's been a few nights where I've literally felt like I've ask all the girls that I'm interested in and only got 1 or 2 to dance. How are you opening? |
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| Author: | DJ_Z [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:51 pm ] |
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dude...50% isn't bad. I understand always trying to improve, after all nobody's perfect, but if you're closing every other night out then you probably don't need a major overhaul of your approach style. Honestly? When I go out my number one goal is to have fun. If you are having fun right off the bat, it is always easier to talk to women and create a fun SPAM. This may apply more to me than you, but when I try to set exact goals on meeting women I get annoyed at myself at the very first rejection. And that negativity builds to the point where I shouldn't even be out. However, when I'm out with friends and enjoying myself for a while and approach a girl just because I think "why the hell not?" then I am in the best position. That idea of not giving a shit being alpha, that's my interpretation of it. Sometimes women are just bitches and they don't want to talk to any guys. Sometimes they really do have boyfriends. Having off nights doesn't necessarily mean you are doing anything wrong. My only suggestion is that maybe you could see more success if you went out with a pivot. If you go out and bring a couple of female friends you instantly have value. I hate the concept of DHV, but let's be honest, women see guys with other women and assume they have some positive traits. |
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| Author: | Psych3r [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:53 pm ] |
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Quote: dude...50% isn't bad.
Yeah seriously, I'd kill for 50%. I'd say historically even when i'm "on fire" 10-20% is solid. I typically only go for HB8+, but even then there is just too much variation in women to expect 100% and even 70% would be exceptional. Maybe I'm still learning, but it's unlikely that you will "click" with that high of a percentage without having very low standards.I mean if you could care less about personality maybe, but I can't fuck a girl I don't at least find interesting and fun. With that in mind I don't even MEET greater than 50% girls that match those standards. |
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| Author: | Yuphahaha [ Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:54 pm ] |
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Well perhaps that's where we aren't seeing eye to eye. I'm only able to close 7-8.5. I have yet to close a 9+ I attempt them every time but it's never end in a close if they even give me a chance. And if you think about it I'm only closing 1-2 girls EVERY 6 hours, that seems really low to me for a club that's full of women. When I start closing 9-10 then I wouldn't mind And I do have a lot fun which I think is the reason I have been having really good success, I use to close only about I'd say 1/6 club visits. So I'm really happy that I'm able to meet 1-2 new girl a week.(but again its still not the 9-10) As far as personally wise the girls that I close are the one I really vibe with which is why my day 2 are really high(80%)- if they are all 9-10 I'll be all good lol. Don't get me wrong I see the positive and love it but I want to improve. |
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| Author: | Psych3r [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:10 pm ] |
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Quote: Well perhaps that's where we aren't seeing eye to eye.
I admit there is a clear and definate shift in game required from 8+ but it's not hard to figure out once you give it a shot a few times and notice some paterns.I'm only able to close 7-8.5 Basically you just want to come up with something that gets you into a numbers game approach. At the end of the day, practice makes perfect. Just remember that HB8+ are more in tune to social value. A HB7 is just happy to get attention from a cute guy, an HB10 could care less unless he's the hottest, or more popular guy in the room. They are constantly being barraged by guys hitting on them, so attention is not what they want. They want what they aren't used to getting (unique guys). Also, with all that pickiness comes a lot of attitude, so be prepared for harder crashes when you burn and more fickle sets. Plus the level of psycho and gold digger you have to deal with shoots through the roof. Be prepared for absolute bullshit at any given time. The old saying "mo money, mo problems" translates just as easily to "mo hotness, mo assholeness" |
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| Author: | Warped Mindless [ Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:05 pm ] |
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There really isn't much difference in pulling a hottie and pulling a grenade. There are a couple reasons why some guys can pull average women all day long but fail at the super model-esque women: 1) Limiting beliefs. They believe they have to do something different and the the "game" changes when talking to extremely hot women. 2) Lack of entitlement. Deep down they don't feel they deserve a women that hot. Wanna pull super hotties? Stop caring how hot they are.... |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:02 am ] |
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i had to learn club game since i could not speak English i have been doing it for 15 years... Follow my responses here and click on my profile, to the club game answers i give, club game is NONE VERBAL... |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:03 am ] |
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look for my responses here: anyone-needs-help-opening-on-the-dancef ... highlight= |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 12:54 am ] |
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yuphahaha: I have been think a lot about your questions and wondering what really is club game: Dance game is were you open, comfort, attract and seduce a woman kclose, fclose, bjclose, by only dancing without saying a word or barely saying a word, i think that is what dance game is... I think the best example of dance game are male strippers... |
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| Author: | OG_Kdub [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:19 am ] |
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Open more girls and maybe move to after parties...Clubs are not always predictable, you might have a sausage night or fat girl night so if you explore different clubs each week you get different types of girls that can affect your numbers. Try the bar scene if your old enough. When you want to up your results you got to increase your numbers |
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| Author: | youngsweetjones [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 8:14 pm ] |
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here's my basic club game routine: i) open (usually an opinion opener) ii) neg & disqualify my target iii) transition (you can't talk about the opener forever) iv) dhv (i tell a story or play a game) v) isolate my target vi) qualify my target vii) build comfort & rapport somewhere b/w the isolation & the comfort/rapport building i escalate kino & number close. my success rate is as follows (approximate): - open 10 sets - number close 6 targets - 2 targets get to day 2 - f-close 1 target i base my success rate on f-close; therefore, i'm @ a horrible 10% success rate & i'm looking to improve drastically. as of right now, my sticking point is the comfort/rapport building where i have problems making future plans & getting the hb to a day 2. hope this helps, good luck man! |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:23 pm ] |
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Youngsweetjones, that is no club game, in the club game you do not talk...Music is loud and people are there to dance and have a good time not to talk... |
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| Author: | skills360 [ Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:25 pm ] |
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In club game do not get the number unless your makeoutclose, then is a waste of time.. |
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