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Author:  Adept [ Sun Jun 26, 2011 4:58 am ]
Post subject:  Secret to PUA
This may be bad for business for the mPUA's but it seems to me that PUA in a nutshell is being confident in yourself, talking to girls (a lot), and not being a doormat. Am I wrong?
Author:  Mack 2.0 [ Sun Jun 26, 2011 5:07 am ]
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yes, and being a pilot is as simple as jumping in and flying a plane.

nothing to it.
Author:  Adept [ Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:30 am ]
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It's seems you took the question wrong. In no way am I saying that it doesn't take skill or practice. However, I am asking if those are the core skills that each method tries to build on.
Author:  Lodewijkp [ Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:41 am ]
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you mean you can either perfect inner game or perfect external game...

scripted game .. external game - routines and canned or whatever you want to call it will get you girls .... you can be lethal with this kind of game. the problem is you have to memorize everything and you need to internalize it - you are using your brain and not your inuition or emotions. however you probably suck in relationships because you didn't face you emotional unhealthy problems.

inner game and building confidence - self actualisation is just hard uncomfortable work but it will make you more confident and this wil affect your subcommunication. if you are a confident person you don't have to memorize things or learn techniques, you can be more in the moment.

with external game you are doing
with inner game you are ... being - not doing.

using inner game as a base will give you more succes because it affects you subcommunication - this will trigger more attraction switches in a womans brain.

i've learned and used all external game like most guys do i started out with MM...it took me some years to have my own inductive realisation about inner game ( after alot of failed relationships through pickup). just changing the way you think and getting in state .. just 2 things that will dramatically increase succes.

before inner game i learned all external techniques .. seriously in interactions i would use 20 different techniques conciously and about 30 routines. it's horrible because the more you think about ( techniques ) it the more you get inside in your head - and shut yourself off from being your best self or being in the moment.

nowadays im 90 % in inner game and like 10 in external game ... 10 is just some body language .. voice tonality .. and some openers.

inner game goes very deep .. you cannot explain it in a few minutes , there are so many factors and experiences to cover it's almost impossible to cover alot in a short time. if we boil it down to a surface level thing it's just being confident - interacting alot and being confortable with it and not being a doormat.

do realize that all mpua have a sick high end calibration .. the guys have so many experience that they often know how woman think and feel , you can only get this through experience and analyzing that experience until you fall into coma.

regarding inner game , psychology and self actualization .. im like at 20 % of the total 100 % ... i've read and worked through hundreds hours of materials - maybe even thousands... , i've analyzed myself for several hundred hours .. talking to psychologists about inner game for dozens of hours, talking to succesfull friends about psychology and cultural conditioning for hundreds of hours.

using psychology and reflecting on yourself to remove emotional blocks is very uncomfortable because every new mindset will change your reality - untill you have fully internalized it will feel uncomfortable about it. most guys do not want to mess with their believe system because it's so ingrained but also because changing their beleif system will make their lose their confidence - everytime you fuck with your believe system you will get outside your comfort zone.

many guys .. pua or mpua do not want to go through all the inner game just because it makes them uncomfortable - they have this delusional believe that they are the coolest guys on the planet. this belief will help you but if you really feel confident if you really grounded into well being you don't have to create all these mindsets.

inner game is like climbing mount everest .. but everytime you will climb it and everytime you are at the top you will suffer from oxygen deprivation .. maybe you fall off everytime you are at the top - most guys do not even want to climb because they are too afraid to fall
Author:  Mack 2.0 [ Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:49 am ]
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Quote:
It's seems you took the question wrong.
i didn't take the question wrong.

in fact, i wasn't even responding to your question.

i was, instead, responding to your comment, especially the underlined part.

this one:

"This may be bad for business for the mPUA's but it seems to me that PUA in a nutshell is being confident in yourself, talking to girls (a lot), and not being a doormat."

let me try to successfully paraphrase the key points in your statement.

here goes:

i've got bad news for the mpua's because pick-up is a few simple, easy concepts. (paraphrased)

how'd i do?

i think most would agree that i didn't twist your words or miss your point, i simply paraphrased your message.

you are clearly saying what you are saying.

that pick-up is a few easy concepts, which is bad news for the mpua's, why?

it's your own words...

if anyone is confused, my friend, i believe it is you, as you don't even seem to realize what your own point is...

also, one other sidenote.

the thread title "secret to pua"?

i mean...come on.
Author:  lolaskate [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:33 am ]
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I think PUA hate is a much more suited forum for you
Author:  Kalel [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:38 am ]
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You seem like a man who need to understand something completely before ever trying it in real life. So you try to understand the idea behind pua before investing time learning it. You try to master it before you use it, and you want all the answers before ever having need for them.
The bad thing about approaching pua like this, is that it doesn't work. Pua is something that you learn or understand. PUA is in essence, change. It's a prosess, that slowly changes you in someone new. And there are no shortcuts, you can skip ahead and try to understand the secrets behind it, because right now they are beyond you.

I have tried to explain deep pua stuff to guys who are starting out. And they don't accept it. They don't accept it, because in their current mindset and understanding of reality, certain actions and results and impossible. They can't accept new ideas, because it is contrary to their outlook of the world. And they won't accept it until the time comes that they have change enough to be ready for it.

So is "PUA in a nutshell is being confident in yourself, talking to girls (a lot), and not being a doormat."
Not really. That's part of what pua involves, but that is not pua and that is not what pua is about. That's like the most basic and introductory part of pua.

You really have no idea what pua is all about.
Author:  ProfessorX [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret to PUA
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This may be bad for business for the mPUA's but it seems to me that PUA in a nutshell is being confident in yourself, talking to girls (a lot), and not being a doormat. Am I wrong?
I'd say PUA is basically reducing male/female interactions to some unrealistic formula, writing it down in ebook form, and selling it to unsuspecting guys.
Author:  Mack 2.0 [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret to PUA
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This may be bad for business for the mPUA's but it seems to me that PUA in a nutshell is being confident in yourself, talking to girls (a lot), and not being a doormat. Am I wrong?
I'd say PUA is basically reducing male/female interactions to some unrealistic formula, writing it down in ebook form, and selling it to unsuspecting guys.
*facepalm*
Author:  lolaskate [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret to PUA
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This may be bad for business for the mPUA's but it seems to me that PUA in a nutshell is being confident in yourself, talking to girls (a lot), and not being a doormat. Am I wrong?
I'd say PUA is basically reducing male/female interactions to some unrealistic formula, writing it down in ebook form, and selling it to unsuspecting guys.
*facepalm*
+1 lol
Author:  KennyShizzle [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:40 am ]
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Quote:
you mean you can either perfect inner game or perfect external game...

scripted game .. external game ("mPUAS") - routines and canned or whatever you want to call it will get you girls .... you can be lethal with this kind of game. the problem is you have to memorize everything and you need to internalize it - you are using your brain and not your inuition or emotions. however you probably suck in relationships because you didn't face you emotional unhealthy problems.

inner game and building confidence(Natural)- self actualisation is just hard uncomfortable work but it will make you more confident and this wil affect your subcommunication. if you are a confident person you don't have to memorize things or learn techniques, you can be more in the moment.

with external game you are doing
with inner game you are ... being - not doing.

using inner game as a base will give you more succes because it affects you subcommunication - this will trigger more attraction switches in a womans brain.

i've learned and used all external game like most guys do i started out with MM...it took me some years to have my own inductive realisation about inner game ( after alot of failed relationships through pickup). just changing the way you think and getting in state .. just 2 things that will dramatically increase succes.

before inner game i learned all external techniques .. seriously in interactions i would use 20 different techniques conciously and about 30 routines. it's horrible because the more you think about ( techniques ) it the more you get inside in your head - and shut yourself off from being your best self or being in the moment.

nowadays im 90 % in inner game and like 10 in external game ... 10 is just some body language .. voice tonality .. and some openers.

inner game goes very deep .. you cannot explain it in a few minutes , there are so many factors and experiences to cover it's almost impossible to cover alot in a short time. if we boil it down to a surface level thing it's just being confident - interacting alot and being confortable with it and not being a doormat.

do realize that all mpua have a sick high end calibration .. the guys have so many experience that they often know how woman think and feel , you can only get this through experience and analyzing that experience until you fall into coma.

regarding inner game , psychology and self actualization .. im like at 20 % of the total 100 % ... i've read and worked through hundreds hours of materials - maybe even thousands... , i've analyzed myself for several hundred hours .. talking to psychologists about inner game for dozens of hours, talking to succesfull friends about psychology and cultural conditioning for hundreds of hours.

using psychology and reflecting on yourself to remove emotional blocks is very uncomfortable because every new mindset will change your reality - untill you have fully internalized it will feel uncomfortable about it. most guys do not want to mess with their believe system because it's so ingrained but also because changing their beleif system will make their lose their confidence - everytime you fuck with your believe system you will get outside your comfort zone.

many guys .. pua or mpua do not want to go through all the inner game just because it makes them uncomfortable - they have this delusional believe that they are the coolest guys on the planet. this belief will help you but if you really feel confident if you really grounded into well being you don't have to create all these mindsets.

inner game is like climbing mount everest .. but everytime you will climb it and everytime you are at the top you will suffer from oxygen deprivation .. maybe you fall off everytime you are at the top - most guys do not even want to climb because they are too afraid to fall
Spot on.
Author:  Asmodai [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:08 am ]
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No, no, no, you're all missing the point!

The secret to PUA is spending a lot of money on bootcamps, study materials, and building a shrine in your bedroom where you worship your guru of choice :roll:

Jokes aside, this quote stuck out at me:
Quote:
Am I wrong?
Yes, you are. The handful of simple concepts that you described are the rewards of being a PUA. The process of training yourself to reap these rewards is not something that just anyone can teach or wing on his own. We stand on the shoulders of those who came before us, not because we're assholes, but so we can see farther.
Author:  Lodewijkp [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret to PUA
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I'd say PUA is basically reducing male/female interactions to some unrealistic formula, writing it down in ebook form, and selling it to unsuspecting guys.
*facepalm*
+1 lol
im facepalming mack as well .....
Quote:
I'd say PUA is basically reducing male/female interactions to some unrealistic formula, writing it down in ebook form, and selling it to unsuspecting guys
post of the year LOL!
Author:  Chris2k10 [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Secret to PUA
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*facepalm*
+1 lol
im facepalming mack as well .....
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I'd say PUA is basically reducing male/female interactions to some unrealistic formula, writing it down in ebook form, and selling it to unsuspecting guys
post of the year LOL!
You know what, it's true. I read a shit ton of ebooks. They are all unrealistic but some got some neat little tricks you can do. However, there's one ebook that doesn't fit your criticism and it's called 60 years of challenge.
Author:  here2play [ Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:23 pm ]
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I'm gonna stick up for Adept a little bit here. He's mostly right. To much of mainstream Planet Earth, most of this stuff is no-brainer every day knowledge and horse-sense that most people get without even trying or even thinking about it.

Much of this boils down to common every day social skills and interpersonal interaction.

What a lot of wannabe PUAs seek as the Holy Grail of pick up, most normal people just see as talking to women and hitting on them.

The problem is a certain percentage of people missed that part of their development or didn't get that particular gene activated and so they have to learn the foundational building blocks that others just naturally have.

What you call PUA, mainstream society used to call manners and traditions and social skills etc etc. PUA used to be taught in "charm school" and even taught in public schools back in the day. IT wasn't called PUA then, it was just part of social studies for teenagers back then.

Modern PUA began when some marketing dudes realized "charm schools" had shut their doors and Home Ec classes were no longer teaching boys how to approach girls and ask them out.

They put a sexual spin on it and made it sound like there were some secret forces that geeks could learn to get chicks into bed.

Yeah there is a secret force in getting chicks into bed, it's called, "don't-look-like-a-geeky-pussy-and-talk-to-chicks"

There I gave you the secret for free.

But that is just a general concept. the actual nuts and bolts specifics on how to do that is infinate, That's why we have so many gurus and marketing gimicks and PUA products on the market.

They are all selling blueprints on how to not look like a geeky pussy and talk to chicks.
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