PUA Forum :: The "physical is all tha matters" question

Get into the gym, or on the bike, whatever! During those 6-10 months continue to approach and make conversation. Go out and talk, talk random shit to random people. Sports, Games, Books, School, etc....Pay attention to what they say and how they talk to you. Listen and learn so that you can improve your conversational skills. You can improve your game, social skills and the way you look all at the same time. Use the Gym as a reason to start conversations with people who are working out, ask their opinion/advice.

Dont compair yourself to your wings success...

The only thing I see that you are doing wrong, is making excuses!

Keep the faith Bro!

Pick Up is about self improvement. In overall life, not when it just comes to women and trying pick them up.

If your the type that stays at home and watches tv all day, yeah, your gonna have hard time hooking up with women.

If you start having hobbies, your chances are gonna increase. While your sarging, you can throw in your hobbies to timebridge. Working out can be one of them. I love to work out, and I actually time bridge with we should work out together.

I know a fat short guys that sarge, he is better then me at it because of his hobbies and stuff. And I am a good looking guy.

Improve your overall life, take up hobbies, be passionate about sometime. Meantime, keep on sarging. What method to take up is up to you. Point is there is no shortcut to pick up. Your gonna have to learn it one way or another if you wanna get good at hooking up with women. Took me a year to get my first lay btw.

P90X is best for quick improvements.

I feel your pain.

I used to weight over 300 pounds and look like a metal head (long head, long beard etc)

I couldn't do any sort of direct approach, it was nearly impossible. Neither would 60's technique work for me.

At that time, what I would do is simply not play the game (don't get me wrong, I would still game women, but not using premade techniques or openers).

I would go out with a wing who's a good friend and just not try to approach... just like you said, if I ever tried to approach, I'd get 0 response. What I had setup with my wing before hand is that we'd only open double sets or groups. 1 on 1, he'd always get the upper hand, of course he's good looking.

So basically when he'd open two sets, he'd do regular techniques during that time, what I'd do is just be C&F and every now and then, I could get #close, sometime kclose... fclose was a little harder on a first night, but once I could setup a 1 on 1 date with the girl, I had better chances at fclosing.

What I remember from that time is that kino wouldn't help much, I was not particularly attractive so girls wouldn't think of me sexually. What I had to do is get into their brains, basically what I'm saying is start studying NLP and stuff like that. Any other tool that would DHV (magic, mind-reading, body language reading, cold read, etc) are also great tools to get a woman interested in you.

Last think I can tell you is don't aim too high... if you're a 3, don't shoot for a HB8, be realistic, even a 5 can give you a huge self esteem boost (and also a motivation boost to keep on working out/dieting).

So to summarize...

- If you don't have the looks, direct approach is very hard
- You can't be passive since she's got no interest in you
- Instead, get her attention with any DHV tools/tricks
- Use C&F techniques to push-pull her to get some attraction going.
- Kino early will NOT help you. Get into her brain.
- Don't aim too high
- Obviously, keep on dieting + exercising

Obviously, I'm no mPUA, this comes from a guy who used to be just like you, just speaking from experience here. Maybe some PUA can give you exact techniques to use.

Cheers!

Dude, there is no magic pill...Everything you need is already inside of you! You just need to become more confident...We can't tell you how you will find yours, but it is there!

Game is Game! Success (i.e. confidence) does not come from the lines, routines or the stories...the lines, routines and stories come from the Success!

This did not answer your question, because you already have the answers...

Here is what you do:
Try, fail, learn
Try again, fail, learn more
Try again, fail, learn again
Try again, get some success, fail, learn
Etc.....

No one here can hand it to you...

What you want is for someone on this board to go out and PU chicks for you, convince them to F-close with you, and you probably expect us to lift her up and down on your junk for you too..../rant off

It is up to you to do this....Good Luck!

The point of my post was that i keep reading the same question asked in many threads and they ALWAYS lead to the same place. And i wanted to "propose" a new more efficient line of thinking, instead of sucking ones thumb six months, why not throw ideas in the short term.

Author:	hako [ Tue May 31, 2011 8:28 pm ]
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i have been reading a lot of usefull things in this forum since i started in it but theres is a thread i always find people post: it goes something like "My physic is really all that matters?" and as an out of shape person i understand the frustration behind that question and the answer people asking this normally recieves: Work out/diet/loss weight. Work your inner game. and while this are pretty good advices and goals they have a common flaw, they ARE goals, long term goals. Even if the guy reading the answer start exercising in that moment chances are he has at least 6 to 10 month of hard work and diet ahead. What is he is supouse to do in the meantime? Live in seclusion? What i personally think is the true question behind that one is: "Im short/fat/ugly or any combination of those, what can i do right now? Wich system is the best for me" This idea came to me last friday when i went out field testing 60 years of challenge, i got 0 response for me but a friend of mine who has good looks got much better results. Of course is not the system fault. But the system in my opinion focus in a situation in wich the woman has already some kind of attraction for you. My main question here is "Wich is the best system you know, wich focus in a situation in wich the woman doenst have any initial attraction towards you?" i always hear that out of shape people have to make more effort than good looking people. Well what are those extra things they have make?. I mean all of this in the short run. Im not saying one should not work out and eat better (im currently doing both of those) or have a better inner game (sorry for people who advice this but to me thats a pretty bland advice by itself) but i ask WHAT CAN ONE DO IN THE MEANTIME? EDIT: to clarify and to avoid this thread to fall in the same line of thinking: 1) IM NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF, i use myself for an example. Its not selfpity, stop threating it like it was 2) I made this post because i see many post with the same question and the same line of thinking, wich lead to nowhere. STOP PLEASE POSTING THE "HIT THE GYM" advice, look people is a terrible advice to give with the best intention, it doesnt really help anybody and in this post i want people to propose short term thing to do WHILE they are lossing weight, getting shape of whatever. 3) IM NOT ASKING FOR THE MAGIC PILL, im just asking wich is the best system you know wich works with ther premise the woman doesnt have attraction for you. It would be a system that works heavy in the attraction phase. Or if you dont know any system like that tell what thecniques you know, things one have to keep in mind while gamings or even better puas whos pass for the same situation what do you keep doing in the meantime

Author:	Crypto [ Tue May 31, 2011 11:03 pm ]
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Bro, stop thinking soo much. Tell yourself that you are the man enough and you will start to feel it. Unless you are grossly out of shape then you will have success once you "know" you can do it. If you are not taking care of yourself physically then the the HB6+ will DLV you because you dont care about yourself. Get into the gym, or on the bike, whatever! During those 6-10 months continue to approach and make conversation. Go out and talk, talk random shit to random people. Sports, Games, Books, School, etc....Pay attention to what they say and how they talk to you. Listen and learn so that you can improve your conversational skills. You can improve your game, social skills and the way you look all at the same time. Use the Gym as a reason to start conversations with people who are working out, ask their opinion/advice. Dont compair yourself to your wings success... The only thing I see that you are doing wrong, is making excuses! Keep the faith Bro!

Author:	0uch [ Tue May 31, 2011 11:16 pm ]
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Pick Up is about self improvement. In overall life, not when it just comes to women and trying pick them up. If your the type that stays at home and watches tv all day, yeah, your gonna have hard time hooking up with women. If you start having hobbies, your chances are gonna increase. While your sarging, you can throw in your hobbies to timebridge. Working out can be one of them. I love to work out, and I actually time bridge with we should work out together. I know a fat short guys that sarge, he is better then me at it because of his hobbies and stuff. And I am a good looking guy. Improve your overall life, take up hobbies, be passionate about sometime. Meantime, keep on sarging. What method to take up is up to you. Point is there is no shortcut to pick up. Your gonna have to learn it one way or another if you wanna get good at hooking up with women. Took me a year to get my first lay btw.

Author:	Anti-lover13 [ Tue May 31, 2011 11:25 pm ]
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P90X is best for quick improvements. I moved from a country where I use to live. And my friends in the US no longer see me because I live many hours away. I am average weight with little belly fat. I plan to lose it all and seclude myself until I get the six pack, the chest and the muscle. Then I will go back just to see the reaction of those who thought me unsucceful. My pride will feed me enough to have good inner game, but not too much.

Author:	Vanazzul [ Tue May 31, 2011 11:51 pm ]
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I feel your pain. I used to weight over 300 pounds and look like a metal head (long head, long beard etc) I couldn't do any sort of direct approach, it was nearly impossible. Neither would 60's technique work for me. At that time, what I would do is simply not play the game (don't get me wrong, I would still game women, but not using premade techniques or openers). I would go out with a wing who's a good friend and just not try to approach... just like you said, if I ever tried to approach, I'd get 0 response. What I had setup with my wing before hand is that we'd only open double sets or groups. 1 on 1, he'd always get the upper hand, of course he's good looking. So basically when he'd open two sets, he'd do regular techniques during that time, what I'd do is just be C&F and every now and then, I could get #close, sometime kclose... fclose was a little harder on a first night, but once I could setup a 1 on 1 date with the girl, I had better chances at fclosing. What I remember from that time is that kino wouldn't help much, I was not particularly attractive so girls wouldn't think of me sexually. What I had to do is get into their brains, basically what I'm saying is start studying NLP and stuff like that. Any other tool that would DHV (magic, mind-reading, body language reading, cold read, etc) are also great tools to get a woman interested in you. Last think I can tell you is don't aim too high... if you're a 3, don't shoot for a HB8, be realistic, even a 5 can give you a huge self esteem boost (and also a motivation boost to keep on working out/dieting). So to summarize... - If you don't have the looks, direct approach is very hard - You can't be passive since she's got no interest in you - Instead, get her attention with any DHV tools/tricks - Use C&F techniques to push-pull her to get some attraction going. - Kino early will NOT help you. Get into her brain. - Don't aim too high - Obviously, keep on dieting + exercising Obviously, I'm no mPUA, this comes from a guy who used to be just like you, just speaking from experience here. Maybe some PUA can give you exact techniques to use. Cheers!

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Author:	LVATTEMPTS [ Tue May 31, 2011 11:53 pm ]
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get in shape WHILE doing pick up.... so when you are in shape, you aren't a dud, its a win-win

Author:	hako [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:50 am ]
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Quote: Get into the gym, or on the bike, whatever! During those 6-10 months continue to approach and make conversation. Go out and talk, talk random shit to random people. Sports, Games, Books, School, etc....Pay attention to what they say and how they talk to you. Listen and learn so that you can improve your conversational skills. You can improve your game, social skills and the way you look all at the same time. Use the Gym as a reason to start conversations with people who are working out, ask their opinion/advice. Dont compair yourself to your wings success... The only thing I see that you are doing wrong, is making excuses! Keep the faith Bro! Quote: Pick Up is about self improvement. In overall life, not when it just comes to women and trying pick them up. If your the type that stays at home and watches tv all day, yeah, your gonna have hard time hooking up with women. If you start having hobbies, your chances are gonna increase. While your sarging, you can throw in your hobbies to timebridge. Working out can be one of them. I love to work out, and I actually time bridge with we should work out together. I know a fat short guys that sarge, he is better then me at it because of his hobbies and stuff. And I am a good looking guy. Improve your overall life, take up hobbies, be passionate about sometime. Meantime, keep on sarging. What method to take up is up to you. Point is there is no shortcut to pick up. Your gonna have to learn it one way or another if you wanna get good at hooking up with women. Took me a year to get my first lay btw. Look thanks for answering but you are missing the point here, IM NOT TALKING ABOUT MYSELF, i use myself as an example of how some methods are better for some people and other not so much. The point of my post was that i keep reading the same question asked in many threads and they ALWAYS lead to the same place. And i wanted to "propose" a new more efficient line of thinking, instead of sucking ones thumb six months, why not throw ideas in the short term. Look, people who arent in shape or are fat knows that they are. You telling them to hit the gym doesnt really change their definition of reality, they know that, they know what they should do. Whether they are doing it or not depends on the them BUT what im asking is not what they SHOULD do in the long term but what they can do in the short term. I already edit the the post to explain it better. Quote: P90X is best for quick improvements. Great advice but i meant what one can improve his game in the short term. But thanks im gonna check it out. Quote: I feel your pain. I used to weight over 300 pounds and look like a metal head (long head, long beard etc) I couldn't do any sort of direct approach, it was nearly impossible. Neither would 60's technique work for me. At that time, what I would do is simply not play the game (don't get me wrong, I would still game women, but not using premade techniques or openers). I would go out with a wing who's a good friend and just not try to approach... just like you said, if I ever tried to approach, I'd get 0 response. What I had setup with my wing before hand is that we'd only open double sets or groups. 1 on 1, he'd always get the upper hand, of course he's good looking. So basically when he'd open two sets, he'd do regular techniques during that time, what I'd do is just be C&F and every now and then, I could get #close, sometime kclose... fclose was a little harder on a first night, but once I could setup a 1 on 1 date with the girl, I had better chances at fclosing. What I remember from that time is that kino wouldn't help much, I was not particularly attractive so girls wouldn't think of me sexually. What I had to do is get into their brains, basically what I'm saying is start studying NLP and stuff like that. Any other tool that would DHV (magic, mind-reading, body language reading, cold read, etc) are also great tools to get a woman interested in you. Last think I can tell you is don't aim too high... if you're a 3, don't shoot for a HB8, be realistic, even a 5 can give you a huge self esteem boost (and also a motivation boost to keep on working out/dieting). So to summarize... - If you don't have the looks, direct approach is very hard - You can't be passive since she's got no interest in you - Instead, get her attention with any DHV tools/tricks - Use C&F techniques to push-pull her to get some attraction going. - Kino early will NOT help you. Get into her brain. - Don't aim too high - Obviously, keep on dieting + exercising Obviously, I'm no mPUA, this comes from a guy who used to be just like you, just speaking from experience here. Maybe some PUA can give you exact techniques to use. Cheers! THIS THIS is what i mean, what out of shape person can do with their game while they are out of shape, what can one do, this is the line of thinking i was talking about. BTW: the dont aim too high, you keep doing that? it is an interest point to discuss while things like MM tell you to aim as high as you can, while you are out of shape aiming hard only means failure and a hard blow to the ego. Personally i 5/6/7 girls are great for practice and even snl (though i would probably never f-close a 5) but i would never settle for anything less that a 8 as a girlfriend. what has been your experience?

Author:	bobbybobson5000 [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:21 am ]
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I was pretty large when I was younger (still a kid really), but as soon as I'd lost it, I found that girls liked me a lot more! I don't think there was a conscious change in personality, but I do suspect that the main difference was indeed mental, not physical, as long as you're not massively massively obese (even someone who looks pretty big can be successful with women - I'll always remember this stunning girl my best mate was trying to chat up during 6th form, but she ended up going out with this short, fat bloke who, well, didn't exactly care about his appearance, but managed to pull it off with women!) When you lose weight, you KNOW you look better, you KNOW that you can achieve your goals. OK, there are harder things to achieve, but losing a fair amount of weight isn't easy, it can take a long time, and when you've done it, you feel like the shit. Yeah you WANTED to lose weight, so instead of sitting on your arse, you went out and DID it. And that sort of attitude can run through your veins and even subconsciously change your whole attitude towards life - so it's not just physical. So how can you get that feeling whilst losing the weight? Well, how about just thinking that you ARE on the way to achieving your goals? That you are going out and finishing what you want to achieve. How about thinking that even if at the moment you're still not in the greatest shape, you've got the personality, and in 5 months time when you've finally got to your ideal weight, some girl is going to be unable to resist you. And how about thinking that girls should still take some interest in you now - if they don't, then screw them - in a few months time, it'll be THEM who are feeling bad for ruining their chances with that bloke who was funny but a bit chubby, but is now funny and in great shape. Just go out and talk to women, don't be thinking about the weight, or any other issues. Just talk to people. It really is the best way to build inner game, outer game, and whatever other sort of game you want! Just do it!

Author:	Crypto [ Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:05 pm ]
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Dude, there is no magic pill...Everything you need is already inside of you! You just need to become more confident...We can't tell you how you will find yours, but it is there! Game is Game! Success (i.e. confidence) does not come from the lines, routines or the stories...the lines, routines and stories come from the Success! This did not answer your question, because you already have the answers...

Author:	hako [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:47 pm ]
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Quote: Dude, there is no magic pill...Everything you need is already inside of you! You just need to become more confident...We can't tell you how you will find yours, but it is there! Game is Game! Success (i.e. confidence) does not come from the lines, routines or the stories...the lines, routines and stories come from the Success! This did not answer your question, because you already have the answers... no, that didnt answer the thread because you havent read the thread or the answers at all. You just spill something like "believe in yourself" like you were a my little pony old cartoon. for example Vanazzul, recommend a heavy focus on indirect game, wich could be usefull. Look man do the following, read the thread, think about it, read it again, think about it again and maybe JUST maybe you gonna understand the thread and the questions been asked there. If not dont answer it

Author:	Crypto [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:08 pm ]
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Here is what you do: Try, fail, learn Try again, fail, learn more Try again, fail, learn again Try again, get some success, fail, learn Etc..... No one here can hand it to you... What you want is for someone on this board to go out and PU chicks for you, convince them to F-close with you, and you probably expect us to lift her up and down on your junk for you too..../rant off It is up to you to do this....Good Luck!

Author:	hako [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:15 pm ]
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Quote: Here is what you do: Try, fail, learn Try again, fail, learn more Try again, fail, learn again Try again, get some success, fail, learn Etc..... No one here can hand it to you... What you want is for someone on this board to go out and PU chicks for you, convince them to F-close with you, and you probably expect us to lift her up and down on your junk for you too..../rant off It is up to you to do this....Good Luck! facepalm just stop man..... please stop answering, i dont know if you are actually this dense or just trolling but just stop. I could write a bloody paper about how what you are saying is just a show that you dont know how to read but im just gonna say this, stop answering

Author:	baracuda [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:44 pm ]
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Quote: I feel your pain. I used to weight over 300 pounds and look like a metal head (long head, long beard etc) I couldn't do any sort of direct approach, it was nearly impossible. Neither would 60's technique work for me. At that time, what I would do is simply not play the game (don't get me wrong, I would still game women, but not using premade techniques or openers). I would go out with a wing who's a good friend and just not try to approach... just like you said, if I ever tried to approach, I'd get 0 response. What I had setup with my wing before hand is that we'd only open double sets or groups. 1 on 1, he'd always get the upper hand, of course he's good looking. So basically when he'd open two sets, he'd do regular techniques during that time, what I'd do is just be C&F and every now and then, I could get #close, sometime kclose... fclose was a little harder on a first night, but once I could setup a 1 on 1 date with the girl, I had better chances at fclosing. What I remember from that time is that kino wouldn't help much, I was not particularly attractive so girls wouldn't think of me sexually. What I had to do is get into their brains, basically what I'm saying is start studying NLP and stuff like that. Any other tool that would DHV (magic, mind-reading, body language reading, cold read, etc) are also great tools to get a woman interested in you. Last think I can tell you is don't aim too high... if you're a 3, don't shoot for a HB8, be realistic, even a 5 can give you a huge self esteem boost (and also a motivation boost to keep on working out/dieting). So to summarize... - If you don't have the looks, direct approach is very hard - You can't be passive since she's got no interest in you - Instead, get her attention with any DHV tools/tricks - Use C&F techniques to push-pull her to get some attraction going. - Kino early will NOT help you. Get into her brain. - Don't aim too high - Obviously, keep on dieting + exercising Obviously, I'm no mPUA, this comes from a guy who used to be just like you, just speaking from experience here. Maybe some PUA can give you exact techniques to use. Cheers! The dont aim to high part i dont think people should follow that advice an id always recommend people to open an try an game hb10s an direct game i would say is the best to get 10s you go up to a 10 in the day an tell her shes got a cracking pair of tits 1 shes never heard that before im sure shes going to think Who the fuck is this guy 2 why has he got big balls 3 he must have a big cock even though us puas know dick size means naff

Author:	Pokee [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:37 pm ]
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Quote: The point of my post was that i keep reading the same question asked in many threads and they ALWAYS lead to the same place. And i wanted to "propose" a new more efficient line of thinking, instead of sucking ones thumb six months, why not throw ideas in the short term. So are you going to propose something or not?

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Author:	Crypto [ Thu Jun 02, 2011 11:09 pm ]
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If you were as passionate about doing what people here suggest as you are about ranting on this thread you, No wait, your friend would do just fine...Im off your thread because you dont listen. Again, Good Luck to you!