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Author:  Lucky Luciano [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:45 am ]
Post subject:  What kind of Seducer are you?
Hello Forum,

What kind of Seducer do you feel you're most like? How exactly do you show the characteristics of this Seducer in the field, and what kind of mannerisms do you exhibit? Also, what kind of things do you say to let this Seducer personality to shine through? And if you don't feel as if you simply conform to any given Seducer type, which I'm sure no one does, what different attributes of the different Seducer types do you have?

And what kind of Anti-Seducers have you came across in the field, or just met in General? What kind of Anti-Seducer Qualities did they express and how did they express them?

Types of Seducers:

The Rake: A woman
never quite feels desired and appreciated
enough. She wants attention, but a man is too often
distracted and unresponsive. The Rake is a great female fantasy
figure—when he desires a woman, brief though that moment may be,
he will go to the ends of the earth for her. He may be disloyal, dishonest,
and amoral, but that only adds to his appeal. Unlike the normal, cautious
male, the Rake is delightfully unrestrained, a slave to his love of women.
There is the added lure of his reputation: so many women have succumbed
to him, there has to be a reason. Words are a woman's weakness,
and the Rake is a master of seductive language. Stir a
woman's repressed longings by adapting the Rake's
mix of danger and pleasure.

The Ideal Lover: Most
people have dreams in their
youth that get shattered or worn
down with age. They find themselves disappointed
by people, events, reality, which cannot
match their youthful ideals. Ideal Lovers thrive
on people's broken dreams, which become lifelong
fantasies. You long for romance? Adventure? Lofty
spiritual communion? The Ideal Lover reflects your
fantasy. He or she is an artist in creating the illusion
you require, idealizing your portrait. In a
world of disenchantment and baseness,
there is limitless seductive power in
following the path of the
Ideal Lover.

The Dandy: Most
of us feel trapped within the
limited roles that the world expects us to
play. We are instantly attracted to those who are
more fluid, more ambiguous, than we are—those who
create their own persona. Dandies excite us because they cannot
be categorized, and hint at a freedom we want for ourselves.
They play with masculinity and femininity; they fashion their
own physical image, which is always startling; they are mysterious
and elusive. They also appeal to the narcissism of each
sex: to a woman they are psychologically female, to a man
they are male. Dandies fascinate and seduce in large
numbers. Use the power of the Dandy to create
an ambiguous, alluring presence that
stirs repressed desires.

The Natural: Childhood
is the golden paradise we
are always consciously or unconsciously trying
to re-create. The Natural embodies the longedfor
qualities of childhood—spontaneity, sincerity, unpretentiousness.
In the presence of Naturals, we feel at ease,
caught up in their playful spirit, transported back to that
golden age. Naturals also make a virtue out of weakness, eliciting
our sympathy for their trials, making us want to protect
them and help them. As with a child, much of this is natural,
but some of it is exaggerated, a conscious seductive
maneuver. Adopt the pose of the Natural to
neutralize people's natural defensiveness
and infect them with helpless
delight.

The Coquette: The
ability to delay satisfaction is
the ultimate art of seduction—while
waiting, the victim is held in thrall. Coquettes
are the grand masters of this game, orchestrating a
back-and-forth movement between hope and frustration.
They bait with the promise of reward—the hope of physical
pleasure, happiness, fame by association, power—all of which,
however, proves elusive; yet this only makes their targets pursue
them the more. Coquettes seem totally self-sufficient: they do
not need you, they seem to say, and their narcissism proves devilishly
attractive. You want to conquer them but they hold the cards.
The strategy of the Coquette is never to offer total satisfaction.
Imitate the alternating heat and coolness of the Coquette
and you will keep the seduced at your heels.

The Charmer: Charm is seduction without sex. Charmers are consummate manipulators,
masking their cleverness by creating a mood of pleasure and comfort. Their
method is simple: they deflect attention from themselves and focus it on their
target. They understand your spirit, feel your pain, adapt to your moods.
In the presence of a Charmer you feel better about yourself. Charmers
do not argue or fight, complain, or pester—what could be more seductive?
By drawing you in with their indulgence they make
you dependent on them, and their power grows. Learn to
cast the Charmer's spell by aiming at people's
primary weaknesses: vanity and
self-esteem.

The Charismatic: Charisma
is a presence that excites us. It
comes from an inner quality—self-confidence,
sexual energy, sense of purpose, contentment—
that most people lack and want. This
quality radiates outward, permeating the gestures
of Charismatics, making them seem extraordinary
and superior, and making us imagine there is more
to them than meets the eye: they are gods, saints,
stars. Charismatics can learn to heighten their
charisma with a piercing gaze, fiery oratory,
an air of mystery. They can seduce on a
grand scale. Learn to create the
charismatic illusion by radiating
intensity while remaining
detached.

The Star: Daily life is harsh, and most of us
constantly seek escape from it in fantasies and
dreams. Stars feed on this weakness; standing
out from others through a distinctive and appealing
style, they make us want to watch them. At
the same time, they are vague and ethereal,
keeping their distance, and letting us imagine
more than is there. Their dreamlike quality
works on our unconscious; we are not even
aware how much we imitate them. Learn to become
an object of fascination by projecting the
glittering but elusive presence of the Star.

Types of Anti-Seducers:

The brute: is completely self-absorbed. He considers his pleasure only and women are merely a means to that end. He is incredibly impatient and will bully and otherwise intimidate to reach an outcome. His massive ego hides deep inferiority and he over reacts at the slightest inconvenience.

The Suffocator: Described as "one itis" in the community, instantly deciding she is the one he has to be with is the trademark of the suffocator. He experiences an endless need that no woman can ever fill. He drives women away when they sense his clinginess and then uses guilt and trauma to torture them into showing him attention. He fails to realize that real love takes time and effort to nurture - not 2 coffee dates and 3 emails.

The Moralizer: Unwavering, rigid and a slave to his own standards, the moralizer fails to realize that seduction is fun and something to be enjoyed. His values are a by product of his own unhappiness and he takes great pleasure in nit picking and being critical of the women around him. His aim is to change women to his inflexible way of thinking and dominate them. This is the type who insists his girlfriend cease working as a stripper once they are together.

The Tightwad: is the poster child of the anti-seducer. He reflects an underlying aversion to any form of risk. This constipated personality manifests itself with money, for he is also very cheap. He views his pathetic gifts as being immensely generous and yet fails to realize that giving more of himself and his money would make him more seductive. However, too much generosity is just as bad - it appears pathetic and no one likes to think they are being bought.

The Bumbler: If boldness attracts, then the bumbler certainly repels. So preoccupied with himself, the bumbler exists in a state of heightened anxiety. Self-conscious about every detail, he only has the effect of making others uncomfortable and anxious about their own issues. He constantly worries - about how things are going, about how things will end and will ruin whatever chances he has. To reverse this type requires a lot of inner work.

The Windbag: During the initial stages of a seduction, the PUA must build comfort and trust (rapport) with the woman. We do this through sharing stories, however the windbag fails to realize when it is time to listen to what she has to say. He is laden with the most intense selfishness known. Only the person who cares exclusively about himself lacks the insight to stop and think of his effect on a listener. He also sees an interjection as a challenge and becomes even more determined to bore others into submission.

The Reactor: Like a 7 year old child, the reactor is overly sensitive and highly likely to whine and complain. He pores over every word, searching for any sleight to his ego. He is unable to laugh at himself and any attempt to make light of something he has done will be met with eyes filled with simmering resentment. He takes himself far too seriously and this ultimately repels women.

The Vulgarian: An attentive nature, tact and decorum are vital to the effective seducer; the vulgarian has none of these. He is unable to control himself and lives at the mercy of his impulses. He displays a certain tastelessness in the way he dresses and has no social intelligence, often saying inappropriate things. He lacks discretion and frequently speaks about the intimate details of his affairs with women. All this is fuelled by a windbag like selfishness where he is unable to even contemplate how others may see him.
Author:  LyricalDream [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:54 am ]
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When I read through the given options between your lists there are quite a lot of things that I recognize with myself. However - none of them reflects my complete me as a whole.

When I would describe myself it would be a mixture between them all because I'm not a Rake, or a Dandy one, I'm not an Ideal Lover or The Natural.. I'm ONE that's absolutely unique. I'm me.

I perceive my own values, and strive to meet them on my own terms and own ways. Therefor I cannot relate to the given options.

≠ LD
Author:  Solteris [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:12 am ]
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This is fucking stupid...
Author:  VoxPotentia [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:53 am ]
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Nice to see Greene's book promoted here but that's one of the elements I don't like about it. We should stop hoping to fulfill a list of criteria in terms of seduction and assume the identity of a character we're not.

Instead we should shop around and build our own highly attractive, seductive character with our own game which is unique to us and instead of looking at what only one person or group has to offer (Mystery, Love Systems, Ross Jeffries, etc.) we should take the best bits from all.
Author:  Lucky Luciano [ Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:08 pm ]
Post subject: 
@LyricalDream

Very true. I know that one person cannot simply conform to any one of these given Seducers or Anti-seducer types, because each person has their own unique individuality. I should have probably made that clear in the first post. I'll change that.

Greene's 'The Art of Seduction' can prove to be very useful if someone knows how to find their own Seductive traits, build on them and use other Seductive traits in correlation with their main ones.

I made this thread with the intent of seeing where people see themselves as a seductionist. And discuss how these different Seducer traits are exhibited. I myself am a little confused about how to apply these traits that Greene talks about in everyday encounters, because he's kind of vague in his descriptions.
Author:  Solteris [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:15 am ]
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The "Types of Seducers" was WAY too broad and most of it sounded like it was ripped off from a bunch of bad love poems. The Anti-Seducers Section....who is this guy? Im most things on that list and every REAL guy that knows what he wants should be too. No, I do not want the girl I decide to be monogamous with shaking her ass for a bunch of other guys. What the fuck is the point of the relationship then? Im sure it's well easy enough to tap that ass without commitment, but if I ever take that leap, I expect her to respect that just as much as I do.

The Brute? Gets laid. That's reality. Im all on board with "The Suffocator", men need to cut that shit out. It's amazing how someone who's apparently so "tolerant" and "understanding" can be so judgemental and critical?
Author:  Lucky Luciano [ Tue Apr 26, 2011 9:08 am ]
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@ Soltaris

True. It is kind of broad, and I didn't take the types of Seducers. I didn't want to go into detail about the types because that would of been an extremely long post. So I took what is there and tried to post that, which is very broad but gives you an idea.
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