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| Author: | leosiu [ Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | A3 (I believe) back to A2? |
Hi all, I am from Hong Kong and I now lived in Canada. I gamed a warm set and because of the "help" of many AFCs. I get from A2 to A3 with her. (it should be a lot earlier but I just felt that after the pub meeting, a week ago, and I also push-pull her) The thing is: in the begining of this week, she build comfort with me (talked about childhood stuff) But after a conversation, she turned cold, not willing to talk to me and even IOD me (looking away when talk) the conversation starts by she asking me (remember it is just roughly the same as English is not my 1st lang.) HB: what special things I have done in the weekend. me: i read a very interesting book HB: what's that about? me (funny face) HB: you want me to guess? (btw, i usually ask her to guess previously if she asked me questions) me: yeah, but i might not tell you HB: hey, so should i guess or not? me: that's up to you HB: ok, what's that about........(so long such that i cannot remember) now I stand next to the table (she also) and we stand very close to each other and I found she has a new watch and i grab her hand me: hey it is a new watch HB: yeah, it is a new one and it has a lot of function.... me: it has the timer, i need a timer, can you give it to me? HB:.... (i cant remember exactly, but it should be no or something like that) then after that, i just think i got enough kino and wanna to phone close her and she turned me down. Well, in my lang. asking someone to give something new to me is 99.9% a joke and I am not sure the wordings or whatsoever is the same or not in English. Anyone has idea or why it turned up to be like this? Also, any cure?? What should I do if she talk to me? Or what should I do to get back to normal game? Thank you very much buddies!!! |
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| Author: | Lava [ Sun Mar 20, 2011 3:42 am ] |
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you didn't demonstrate any high value at all! even the conversation. You should try leading the conversation, don't let her ask you too many questions, you ask her questions, it goes 1-Question, make a statement about her answer, another question, another statement, another question, another statement, one more statement relate yourself and repeat this again, YOU LEAD the conversation, if she talks her emotional problems to you, try to avoid it, be a MAN and say "ok, enough about that" or anything else in a kind way to change the conversation into more fun things to talk about, like where she travelled in the world etc, by the conversation, when she answers, you can make a short statement to DHV about yourself...you want to DHV, push and pull and cut down on cocky/funny as u spend more time with her. I promise you this though, if SHE went straight to rapport, she will friend zone you before you even know it, you didn't get her number because she doesn't find you interesting enough! next time you see her, don't act needy no matter what, work on A2, then A3 is meeting her half way with the attraction good luck |
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| Author: | leosiu [ Sun Mar 20, 2011 2:19 pm ] |
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Thx for your advice Lava! It is warm set (friend of mine). In the pub gathering, she asked me if I have GF. I am not sure if it is an IOI (coz of warm set). I just met her yesterday and she asked me some questions and I did not reply her much. (I am doing a freeze out) Do you think it is a good move? So, for now. What should I do next? My plan is: I would act to be normal (high energy alpha) if I saw her again and see if she is still cool to me. If yes, I will IOD her (but not sure what to do next). If no, I will DHV and get to A2. Or do you think I should freeze out her longer?? Also, do you think I should neg her if she IOD me? |
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| Author: | Lava [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:14 am ] |
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An IOI is an IOI wether its a warm set or not. I get IOIs from female friends I've known for years but its about how you deal with those IOIs depending on the situation, time phase, the girl..etc Freezouts! hmm! its a tough one, as long as I know, freezing out is done to take away all the attention you've given a person so they can miss that attention and work hard for it...you do it when there is some initial interest from her and the freezout becomes more powerful. My guess is its too early for that! You're obviously following MM so follow that if its working for you. I would recommend you start over the next time you see her from A2. dont be an AFC and look for ways to DHV naturally without coming out of your comfort zone because if you don't know how to DHV yourself properly it might be seen as a DLV, for example if you brag about yourself to DHV (like showing you're a leader, caring etc etc) you might come accross as a bragger, so do question, statement about her answer about 3 times, then a statement relating yourself to her answer adding some DHV to it, this way you only brought up your point because its relative, not because you want her to know something about yourself out of the blue, keep a good flow in the conversation. I don't think you mastered A2 with her, otherwise you would of gotten her number (which I find easy to do, and its only digits, its only the beginning)....for now, never show neediness and keep up your confidence...try to be as natural as you can (I MEAN BE YOURSELF AS MUCH AS YOU CAN) to make it easier for you so you can enjoy it as well WITHOUT being an AFC good luck, always happy to advice when I can |
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| Author: | Lava [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:18 am ] |
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ps. sorry i forgot to answer your 2 last questions. freezing her out long enough when she isnt attracted to you will only make her forget you, before you even know it. if she iods, iod her back but dont come accross as defensive, the idea is no girl wants a man who she can step all over, so keep her at her place, you're the man, she's just a girl who's lucky to be spending time with you (have this mentality but without becoming arrogant), a neg is used about 2-3 times only during A2 to make her feel slightly insecure so she can qualify herself to you good luck |
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| Author: | leosiu [ Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:26 pm ] |
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thx a lot Lava! Thank you so much for your advice. She IOD me for now and I just showed my enthusiasm in work. Then I walked away and talked to the others. I think I have to repeat this cycle for several times to bring her back to later A2 and even A3... btw, I didn't get the number coz I asked her to give me the watch (it was a joke originally but I asked some Canadians here and they all think that it is not a joke). So, I might asked for too much compliance (or even risked her survival value) and that's why fall back to A2? Do you think so? I think MM is correct in A1-A3, I'm not very into night game but it is all MM about to me. Thx again!!! |
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| Author: | theindiankid [ Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:16 am ] |
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Sounds to me like your just sticking to MM's methods. I would advise you that Mystery Method ONLY WORKS IN BARS/CLUBS. You should try reading VinDiClassified, Real Social Dynamics, David DeAngel's Materials! And you should very much work on your INNER GAME which is Real Social Dynamics. I would recommend you to get 'Blueprints Decoded' by RSD. It helps you with your body language, your conversation flow etc. |
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