Ok, so last night I went to this costumeparty (peacock your brains out) where I was trying to work on my game just for shits and giggles.

Good stuff: I open easily, got some positive feedback, had a good vibe (smiling alot and feeling confident) + #-close from a 6. (Althought, she was all up on me without to much effort)

Bad stuff: I had ALOT of problems keeping the sets engaged. I always have this feeling that they are very open in the beginning, but kinda shut me out after that. I had a good routine to stack to thought, I just always forgot to stack.

Ok so my questions for you guys:

-I have noticed I don't get alot of resistence if I kino very early on: like arm around there shoulder and stuff and it builds attraction way earlier imo. So is it wrong to kino very early, like right after opener?

-If a girl doesn't really give you a dirty look, but does turn her body away from you (her back turned to you) and starts talking to her friend do you always eject?
+How do eject subtly without looking like loser?

-> I guess the big question is: How many IOD's do you need to eject?

- ..other tips?



thx in advance

x Lor

Ok, first of all I'm not gonna stop using routines cause you say 'they are gay'.Routines are very good for a beginner like myself so that I can focus on how I say stuff without having to wonder what to say.

That being said: I do eject fairly quickly, but isn't it obv you're not getting anywhere if she has already turned her back to you? If the answer is No, how do you reengage her in that scenario?

Everybody is using rutines in one way or another. You try out your own style of game and see what works for you, then you reuse what worked=rutine.

My best opner for sure is "Hi my name is ******, whats yours?". i use this like 80% of the time without thinking about it and it's a rutine.

People have to learn it's a difference between rutine and script.

@Maxovic - I understand dutch, but some of the people do not, so please use English as your primal response language.

Yeah i know, sorry I taught it would be easy to comment in dutch

Btw nice post

Hey Lorenzo,

Toch moet ik Warped Mindless een beetje gelijk geven over dat routines best wel kut zijn. Ook voor beginners. Je moett je er sowieso niet teveel aan vasthouden. Een paar routines openingszinnen doorlezen maar je moet het je eigen maken. Eigen stijl etc. Openingzinnen moet je inzicht geven hoe de psycholigie van de vrouw werkt. Als je dat begrijpt door middel van die openingszinnen heb je ze niet meer nodig. Je wilt geen PUA zijn maar je moet natural worden. En door je teveel te hechten aan routines lukt dat niet. (gewoon tips bro).

Oke het advies:

Imo gaat het er niet om hoeveel IOD je krijgt. Het gaat erom hoeveel IOI je krijgt. Krijg je IOIs doorgaan. Is ze niet geinteresseerd in je omdat je niet interessant bent, GTFO en hup naar de volgende.

Wat betreft kino. Een arm om een chick haar schouder vind ik sowieso verschrikkelijk om te doen. Als je wat zegt bijvoorbeeld haar schouder (rustig en teder) een beetje vastpakken op een subtiele manier. Niet een arm om haar schouder leggen imo

Als je nog vragen hebt stel ze gerust Ik hoop dat je hier een beetje genoeg aan hebt.

Ok, first of all I'm not gonna stop using routines cause you say 'they are gay'.Routines are very good for a beginner like myself so that I can focus on how I say stuff without having to wonder what to say.

That being said: I do eject fairly quickly, but isn't it obv you're not getting anywhere if she has already turned her back to you? If the answer is No, how do you reengage her in that scenario?

But still, every time I have a routin to stack forth to I feel way more confident. So for now I'm gonna stick with em for a while with no intention of turning into a social robot

@Maxovic - I understand dutch, but some of the people do not, so please use English as your primal response language.

That being said, back to the OP!

Well, I agree with Maxovic & WM. Canned openers/routines aren't good. Why? They stuff you in a partical box of thinking, what you actually need to do as a beginner is learn to read situations - I like to call it Observe & Report. Everybody should do this more a less, you are used to do it. You make remarks with your friends, parents and more people you know on what they are doing.. why not do it with girls that you don't know?

These kind of openers - gained through O&R are actually a lot more solid. Because of the fact that they are genuine and that they are creative. It also shows your interest level is higher than the regular guy. If you don't like doing this - then follow up on the one Who? gave you.. just say "Hi, what's your name" or "Hi, I'm .... what's your name?" or "Hi, you seem like a Kate,... or aren't you?" .. you get the picture by now!

For the second question, physical escalation is best.. what I like to do is.. I introduce myself, give the girl a handshake (NO kissing) although it is common in Belgium to do that.. I sometimes still do it, but try to disengage from it.. and when I shake her hand I look her into her eyes, smile & blink. Really easy!

Hope this helps, btw, I'm going to Leuven maybe this thursday! If you want to come, PM me.

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