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| Author: | drbergzoid [ Sun Feb 20, 2011 4:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | wich school of pick-up should I follow? |
Hi I'm 20 years old, never kissed a girl, never had a girlfriend or had sex. I have discovered the world of pick up a few months ago. I'm in college and i don't have much time to read and study all of the different books of pick up, so i just want to know wich suit my personnality best. English is also not my mothertongue so that makes things also more difficult, par example to translate some pick up lines into my language and still let them sound funny. I do have a lot of friends, people who know me find me generally funny and smart, and many find it strange i never had a girlfriend (me too actually). But now i have surfed the web and read this forum, i think i know the problem. I'm too much a nice guy, can't hold a conversation (i'm a very introvert person with people i don't know), and never notice when i do actually have to take things further. i'm very bad with fysical contact and am not to good in just small talk. Now, i have read the venutian arts handbook by mystery and i just finished "natural game" written by gambler. On pc i have now many books, like double your dating, magical bullets, lovesystems routines, books from ross jeffries, books about nlp (one of more than 700 pages!), about cold reading, body language,... I really liked the venutian arts handbook because it really takes things step by step, but a lot of them just seem to unnatural and i don't think they will work here. "Natural game" on the other hand was to abstract for me "you have to have a deep conversation with a girl based on her emotions and feelins". Yes i do want that, but from where i stand now it is quite impossible to just go out and have a deep conversation with a random girl. So my question for you guys is: What is the best plan i have to follow to master some basic skills quite fast? So which books do i have to read (and in wich order)?, are there any crucial video's? podcasts? I have found many of the stuff i read so far also contradictory, which maybe gives helpful insights when you a are a master, but are very confusing for a beginner. Since i'm not quite the talker, i'm also very interested in the bodylanguage i have to use, how to properly do kino, ... I know different things will work with different people, but i just want to learn like a non-abstract guidline what i have to say and do from the beginning to the end, in wich i may have to use canned material and prepared routines, but which is on all times comes over natural. So tell me what is the best plan of achieving this? (and don't say surf this forum, i will do that but later on to provide me more tricks and usefull insights, now it's to early for that) If you know what i told you, which is the best book/video/podcast,... from where i can start and how can i expand my knowledge from there? greets from holland |
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| Author: | Keksman [ Sun Feb 20, 2011 8:17 pm ] |
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You're trying to learn playing baseball by reading about it, when you should be swinging the bat. So rather than looking for some magical how-to guide, go out and start picking up. Talk to strangers, go to a bar by yourself and force yourself to make new friends. Pay attention to the interaction. There is no quick and easy fix, or the community wouldn't exist. Human interaction is too complex for a manual, which is part of the reason I advocate natural game. But for a step plan: 1. Build inner game (go to the gym, consciously focus on the good things about you, realize your strengths, etc.) 2. Push your comfort zone. Start doing what you want to be able to do but are unable to (going to a bar alone and chatting up strangers) 3. Pay attention & reflect (after a night out, think about your interactions; what worked, what didn't, what patterns do you see?) During all this, be yourself. Don't become a routine monkey. |
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| Author: | drbergzoid [ Sun Feb 20, 2011 9:40 pm ] |
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ok this isn't really helpful at all. 1) i am well aware of my good points and weak points, i'm in good shape, healthy, and wear the right kind of clothes. I am confident and people think of me as a confident and selfconcious guy; that is here not the problem 2) i don't have any problem talking to strangers, i'm just not good at it, to say really bad actually. i can go to a woman and start a conversation, but it usually doesn't last more than 2 minutes. the thing is that after just briefly going trough MM and remembering a few things, i had a really good and long conversation with a totally strange girl in a bar and it was really on, but i couldn't kiss-close because it was so new to me. that's why i really believe the theory works and i want it to bring it into the real life, but first i want to get all of the theory right, to get everything straight in my head first, and then try again. 3) I do that, but if the theory is out there, why discover it all again? I just want the best preperation possible and then test that and correct it with what i have learned in the field. i cant test a theory if i have none. then i would just randomly do trial and error |
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| Author: | PUA Kenny [ Sun Feb 20, 2011 10:01 pm ] |
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Keksman made some valuable points. One should not be keyboard jokying or reading too much that sargable time slips away. But to Drbergzoid's question. I would go with the Venusian Arts handbook. For anyone beginning PU,they should start with the canned routines,etc.which Mystery uses. As you become seasoned,you'd then be able to branch out into creating your own material and becoming more natural. So I'd start with Venuian Arts or anything by Mystery to use as training wheels. |
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