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Author:  ILoveJuice [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Direct game at nightclubs/bars etc?
Okay, first a little background story:

I've known about Game for 2 years, but it's been an on/off thing.
But due to recent changes like lost my job, got my phone stolen and so on, I think it's time for a change!

This weekend I was at a bar, I met this beautiful girl - a HB8 if you care - and we talked but after a while she was sitting on my lap, we didn't speak a word she was just staring at my lips... What did I do? I froze!
Not because I didn't knew what to do, but because I felt like I was on the top of the world!

Here I was sitting with a beautiful girl, all she wanted to do at this moment was to kiss me. Everything at this moment felt perfect!

We kissed, I got her facebook and she went to find her friends.


This was a huge self-realization! That this is what I want, meet some cute girls without some weird opener, routines and stuff.. She does know that I'm not here to get her opinion on who lies the most - but because I find her attractive.


So now I'm just looking for some relevant theory, I've heard a lot good about 60 Years Of Challenge. Anybody knows about it?

And I should probably get a book on text/sms game, but something that goes well with the direct gaming. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
ILJ :) .
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Direct game at nightclubs/bars etc?
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So now I'm just looking for some relevant theory
Why? Who gives a shit what some "theory" says. If you're pulling 8s without saying a word, you're doing fine. Just keep going out and working on your own game yourself.
Author:  ILoveJuice [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 1:19 pm ]
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I can pull 8s, when my mood and state is just right. But I do believe it's more luck than real skills. So I think I should do some theory, so I can get some ground and then build my own game on top of it.. If you catch my drift. :)
Author:  Little Panda [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:05 pm ]
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I can pull 8s, when my mood and state is just right. But I do believe it's more luck than real skills. So I think I should do some theory, so I can get some ground and then build my own game on top of it.. If you catch my drift. :)
If you truly feel like 'blaming' your success on luck, rather than skill - I suggest you work on your inner game before the other theories
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:16 pm ]
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I'd hate to see someone who's already getting success go down the road of finding some theory and believing that this is the "way" to get girls.

The theory part of PU is essentially a bunch of mental masturbation whatever guru came up with to backwards rationalise his success and give credence to the idea that there's some kind of formal system ANY guy can learn and it'll definitely get the girl if he "does it right."

This CAN'T be true because the systems themselves are often CONTRADICTORY,* yet still allow guys to get laid if they use them (and allow other guys to get laid despite NOT using them!) Therefore the system is an IRRELEVANT consideration.

The fact is, you get better by going out, trying stuff that feels congruent, noticing patterns of what works best and in which situations, and fine-tuning and calibrating for maximal efficiency. You'll get more success if you just go out, post field reports when you both succeed and fail, and come up with your OWN reasons for why.

The only basic things that really hold true as far as I can tell are:

1. Present as good a first impression as possible (grooming, good body language, smiling, etc.)

2. Open with something that at least catches her interest, or better, creates an emotional spike of some kind

3. Hold a strong frame - that is, be comfortable with who you are, what your style of humour is, and don't apologise, change your beliefs, or be afraid to make fun of a girl a little.

4. Physically escalate.



*For example:

MM3: "Build rapport, then build comfort" / Adam Lyons "Build comfort, then break rapport"
Sinn: "Always keep talking, even if it's random or stupid." / Gunwitch "Shut the fuck up"
MM3: "Wait for 3 IOIs before you qualify her." / Sasha: "Tell her she's hot immediately!"
Gambler: "Be incredibly humourless and boring" / Paul Janka: "RAPE HER."
Author:  ILoveJuice [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:19 pm ]
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If you truly feel like 'blaming' your success on luck, rather than skill - I suggest you work on your inner game before the other theories
I don't believe every success is luck, I just think at this success there was some luck involved.
I know that I'm attractive, but I'm too shy when it comes to escalation, when I start out be asking some "weird" question (No offence).

But my experience with direct game is that It's easier to escalate and I get MUCH faster results.

-ILJ :)
Author:  Little Panda [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:31 pm ]
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Since you're already getting success, regardless of the reason why, I suggest you go out and you keep doing what you've been doing.

You will then identify your sticking points and work on improving them. You don't need those theories, they will only mindfuck you.
Author:  ILoveJuice [ Mon Feb 07, 2011 2:32 pm ]
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Quote:
I'd hate to see someone who's already getting success go down the road of finding some theory and believing that this is the "way" to get girls.

The theory part of PU is essentially a bunch of mental masturbation whatever guru came up with to backwards rationalise his success and give credence to the idea that there's some kind of formal system ANY guy can learn and it'll definitely get the girl if he "does it right."

This CAN'T be true because the systems themselves are often CONTRADICTORY,* yet still allow guys to get laid if they use them (and allow other guys to get laid despite NOT using them!) Therefore the system is an IRRELEVANT consideration.

The fact is, you get better by going out, trying stuff that feels congruent, noticing patterns of what works best and in which situations, and fine-tuning and calibrating for maximal efficiency. You'll get more success if you just go out, post field reports when you both succeed and fail, and come up with your OWN reasons for why.

The only basic things that really hold true as far as I can tell are:

1. Present as good a first impression as possible (grooming, good body language, smiling, etc.)

2. Open with something that at least catches her interest, or better, creates an emotional spike of some kind

3. Hold a strong frame - that is, be comfortable with who you are, what your style of humour is, and don't apologise, change your beliefs, or be afraid to make fun of a girl a little.

4. Physically escalate.


For some reason it won't let me post an answer, some spammer protection..
But I'll post it as soon as I can. I fixed it, by removing the last part of your post.


I totally see what you mean, so maybe I should just say 'Fuck theory'.
I do good, I think the fundementals you listed are very good. And yes I see what you mean, because IT IS contradictory!

I'll figure out what works for me, and make it my own theory.

Thanks for the help guys!! :)

-ILJ.
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