PUA Forum :: Honesty

but I want to try opening people just for the sake of it and to get rid of AA.

and as mystery says, it aint lying, its flirting.

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and as mystery says, it aint lying, its flirting.

So you believe Mystery in saying that? Come on dude - have a bit selfesteem. There is no need to lie in pick up, never actually. So stop quoting it, it's not true.

≠ LD

lying and not tell the truth or using misdirection are two totally different things.

for example lets say you are recently unemployed:

this is a lie:
girl: "so where do you work?"
you: "I am a bank manager"

not telling the truth/misdirection:
girl: "so where do you work?"
you: "right now i'm exploring my options, focusing on school" (if you are attending school that is).

LD is right its better to tell the truth,

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Author:	djin [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:38 am ]
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Hey guys, I am wondering what to do here, I have never had a Girlfriend, never kissed and obviously never had sex. How does one go about pick-up without lying? What can I do to learn proper kissing techniques? How can I practice them as well as my sexual self? I understand that preselection is a big turn on with girls so how do I go about it without lying? I have never had a Girlfriend but I have girlfriends, so can I use them? What happens if I eventually get luck enough to have sex for the first time, do I be honest and say it is my first time or do I lie and do the best I can? I am 18 btw and in Aus I am of legal age to enter bars and drink, I personally don't like alcohol though. Djin

Author:	Jits138 [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:42 am ]
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You don't ever need to lie if you are just an interesting and funny person. So get out and have some life experiences. Who cares what happens with the first time you fuck... it's only going to happen once. Enjoy it, learn from it, then fuck a bunch more. PS: You can use preselection just by having one of your girl friends sit near you.

Author:	djin [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 5:43 am ]
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Cheers man. I am trying to get invited to some parties and such so I can have some interesting stories to tell, I also am trying to expand my social circle. I have a question what is the major difference between school game and game outside of school? Is it simply that if you fuck up you fuck up for good or? Thanks again, Djin

Author:	rocking [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:47 am ]
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The best way to get are the lying part is simple don't lie but don't tell the truth. What I mean is don't tell everything. This isn't a bad thing. Dont tell them boring storys, be funny and adventurous. If you work at McDonalds as a cook and a hot girl ask you whats your job are you going to tell them that, of course not. You tell her you are a chif, see its not lying, and if she asks where this gives you a chance to say something funny by saying something like "are you going to stalk me if I do" if she says no then casually change the subject. This is going to get her atttention also because this makes you mysterious. With the sex part. Girls are as horny as guys and they love something that is different. Being a virgin is a good thing because most girls rarely get a fresh guy. Some guys use this as a pick up line and it does work. This isnt to say you should go to a girl and the first thing to say is Hey my name is John and im a virgin. You have to conversate and if things start going good then maybe hint that there are somethings that you havent done. If things go really good and it looks like your going to get lucky, tell her while you are taking her shirt off. When I lost my virginity I told the girl after we were naked and she didnt laugh she looked at me shocked and excited, like it was christmas and she was opening a gift. The kissing part well the best way to get better is to practice. Thats it. If you have girls that are friends then they can also play a hugh part as a wingman. If you dance with your girlfriends then other girls will see you as something they cant have because if they reject you then you already have a girl to go back to. Most if not every girl wants what they cant have. By showing that you may be taken already has there attention and plays in your favor. If you nervous and afraid that your going to mess up well you might as well throw that out the door because rejection is going to happen a lot. Best thing to do is go out and try. Remember 50 no's and a yes is still a yes

Author:	TonyShui [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:01 am ]
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Hey there djn, First of all , don't panic. It's absolutely normal and everyone was in your situation one time or another. Now, for the girlfriend part : It's nothing to be ashamed of by not having a girlfriends,in some situations it's good because you don't get involved in emotional things.. For getting a girlfriends , you will need to learn how to pickup girls , and first of all you will need to eliminate your approach anxiety , assuming that you have it . That's not hard at all . Just go and talk to ten strangers , ask them whatever questions , just get in talk and you will be able to approach anyone after the talk with the strangers. Ofcourse what I said above seems easy in words , but it's easy in real life also. Take it on baby steps and It will be easy. For the kiss part , don't worry. I was in the same situation , wondering on how I can do it and so on...but It all came from itself..it's not hard to kiss. You will see it when you get to that part. For the sex part, well everyone was a virgin no? Take it slow and you will get to that step also , start with the talk with the strangers and you will easily advance. For the honesty part, just don't tell everything from the start, be mysterious and that's all.You don't need to lie , that can cause you problems later on.. I hope you understanded what I said , but if you didn't you can ask me and I will be very happy to reply you. Let me know, Tony Shui

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Author:	whiterussian [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:16 am ]
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lying and not telling the truth are totally different things. Most girls don't ask a guy how many girls he slept with...at least not right away. And usually when they do it becomes clear before it happens that the converstaion it going in that direction

Author:	djin [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:24 am ]
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Cheers guys that was very helpful. I want to start gaming asap but SPAM I am still in high school so I can't go out every night only probably Friday and Sat, but I want to try opening people just for the sake of it and to get rid of AA. I am not sure if there was a communication error WhiteRussian but I wasn't asking about sex per se. I was asking how do I get around all the DHV stories that involve preselection or the openers etc, as people have said, and I am going to follow the advice is tell stories that have really happened and that I am truly excited about. Djin

Author:	LyricalDream [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:31 am ]
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Quote: but I want to try opening people just for the sake of it and to get rid of AA. Djin, have you tried the newbie mission already? It's something you will learn a lot from - if you are interested in doing this.. make sure you keep a journal with you every day. You can do this in the "Field Report" section of the forum. If you need a good example - look at AFC Daniel's thread. Regarding the fact of no girlfriend - no kiss - no sex. Hey man? Don't worry. It's natural, we've all been there and I do mean ALL! There is nothing wrong or nothing shitty about that. Actually - imo - the reason for PU isn't the girls, it's improving yourself. When you do that - you'll get the girls, they'll be crawling up to you instead of the other way around. ≠ LD

Author:	bowlie [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:48 pm ]
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tbh m8 its proably best to lie a bit. i was in the same boat not 3 weeks ago. now i have an awsome GF. the key... act alpha. start socialising with everyone more. everyone. make friends with some girls in your social group. and yeah you might have to lie about your inexperience to begin with. but only to begin with. because then you will have done that stuff and wont have to lie.... and as mystery says, it aint lying, its flirting.

Author:	LyricalDream [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:50 pm ]
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Quote: and as mystery says, it aint lying, its flirting. So you believe Mystery in saying that? Come on dude - have a bit selfesteem. There is no need to lie in pick up, never actually. So stop quoting it, it's not true. ≠ LD

Author:	TonyShui [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:45 pm ]
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Lying doesn't help because if you are going to be engaged with the girl you lied , and she finds out it may be bad for you. Simple as that. Just be honest and mysterious at the same time and you will be fine.

Author:	andd95 [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:58 pm ]
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lying and not tell the truth or using misdirection are two totally different things. for example lets say you are recently unemployed: this is a lie: girl: "so where do you work?" you: "I am a bank manager" not telling the truth/misdirection: girl: "so where do you work?" you: "right now i'm exploring my options, focusing on school" (if you are attending school that is). see where the subtle difference is? choosing not to tell the flat out truth or not even answering her question is not lying at all.

Author:	bowlie [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:43 pm ]
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Quote: Quote: and as mystery says, it aint lying, its flirting. So you believe Mystery in saying that? Come on dude - have a bit selfesteem. There is no need to lie in pick up, never actually. So stop quoting it, it's not true. ≠ LD never out and out lie. sorry i should have clarified. no never lie. but saying ambiguous things is ok. and it depends too. if you are looking for a relationship its a big nono. luckily my GF never asked any awkward questions so i never had to.

Author:	Algorythm [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:59 pm ]
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Quote: lying and not tell the truth or using misdirection are two totally different things. for example lets say you are recently unemployed: this is a lie: girl: "so where do you work?" you: "I am a bank manager" not telling the truth/misdirection: girl: "so where do you work?" you: "right now i'm exploring my options, focusing on school" (if you are attending school that is). Ill tell you what they do have in common though, they both show your insecurities. LD is right its better to tell the truth, stop-lying-to-women-and-get-more-sex-vt ... highlight= Stop Lying to women and get more sex

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Author:	Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:34 pm ]
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Quote: LD is right its better to tell the truth, stop-lying-to-women-and-get-more-sex-vt ... highlight= Stop Lying to women and get more sex Being totally honest - especially when it comes to telling women I find them attractive and I'm hitting on them, has literally multiplied my results tenfold! Again, it was mentioned that you don't have to pour out your entire life story - leaving open threads, making a few jokes and generally generating INTEREST in yourself without SPAM too much information is a useful thing to do. But LYING? Totally counterproductive and unnecessary.