PUA Forum :: How the hell does having a Ferrari help?

Main Attraction Switches:

1. You must show her that you’re safe. Trust is an important issue for most women. This must be demonstrated. So switch #1: in order to proceed, you need SAFETY and TRUST.

2. You must show her that you have either ambition, motivation, or job/financial security. In other words, you must have a life and goals. So switch #2 is demonstrating to her that you have STABILITY and AMBITION. You don’t have to be successful, you just have to show the potential to be successful (unless you’re in your 30s, at which point you should have achieved something).

3. You must show her that you’re different than the other guys, that you are not generic or boring, that she can learn something from you or grow with you, that you have a sense of adventure or creativity or spirituality. So switch #3 is showing her that you HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER, even if you don’t give it to her in the moment. This is where DHVs are useful.

4. You must be the PRIZE of the room. She wants a guy others will envy her for, that she can brag about to her friends. This is where social proof comes in, where story-telling comes in. It’s also where alpha qualities come in, cocky/funny, and not supplicating. So switch #4 is demonstrating all of the many qualities of CONFIDENCE, LEADERSHIP, AUTHORITY, and POPULARITY

5. It’s a big world and we all feel alone in it, so if you can demonstrate that you UNDERSTAND her and where she comes from, she will feel chemistry. This can largely be done through demonstrating either cultural, mental, emotional, world view, humor, or life/background commonalities. The more obscure and rare a trait that you connect on, the more chemistry you create. So Switch #5 is demonstrating COMMONALITIES in order to trigger CHEMISTRY.

6. You need an aura of depth and mystery. You must maybe show a vulnerable or wounded side of yourself, you must not give away everything for free, you must be a puzzle she wants to figure out and maybe even have a wound she can heal. Switch #6 then is hooking her with your DEPTH and MYSTERY.

7. You must show her that you are NOT horny, but sexual. This is where social proof comes in too, also demonstrating an understanding of her world (liking her for who SHE is). So switch #7 is demonstrating your own LACK OF DESPERATION while showing her that you RECOGNIZE SOMETHING SPECIAL IN HER THAT ATTRACTS YOU TO HER. This is where QUALIFYING is useful, in other words demonstrating that you like her for who she is–even if you are a player.

I honestly can't imagine a scenario where having an amazing car can help you in picking up a stranger

Note: I try to avoid gold-diggers like crazy so this (and my post above) probably reflect this.

I still think it's the other way around. It's the inner game that you HAVE to have in order to get success in any field.

xfman: I love expensive suits, shoes, shirts, watches and eyewear but to be honest I think you're talking about inner game again. Can you feel great when you walk out of your closet dressed like million bucks? Sure! But you don't need it to project confidence and success.

And for the clothes... There is a clear difference between a good suit or shirt and cheep one. But you can still dress yourself from head to toes for 500$ with a bit of luck and not one girl will be able to pinpoint the difference. I'm still not convinced that any girl (that you can find in a bar) will be able to tell the difference between Kiton Made-to-measure suit and 400$ suit that fits you well. And the first girl that will be able to tell Patek from nice looking 50$ Swatch is the girl I'll marry.

About styles post you quoted: 4. backfires all the time (at leat when it comes to day-1). Girls that ARE NOT gold diggers are afraid of being seen as one.

I'm not ashamed of my status. I achieved it, have nothing to hide and I'm proud of it. I show it. But I had just enough time to experiment with it. If you asked me few years ago I would agree with you in every point. Today I can borow Peugeot 206, dress in cheap clothes and have 50$ in my pocket and I will have same success. Is it my inner game? Probably. But it was there before I got my hands on fast car and money. I wouldn't have any of those two things otherwise.

Saying a Ferrari doesn't help is like saying money doesn't help.

IT DOESN'T HELP.

I'm in my early 20's driving exotic car and I get asked this all the time. It doesn't help at all.

Author:	Fireball [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:20 am ]
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OK this is a bit of a silly question, but it's been bothering me for a while and I have to know the answer. We've all heard about girls going for guys with fast cars. Fair enough, it's shallow, just like girls that go for looks. That's not what I'm asking though. What I want to know is: Imagine you have one of these sought after cars. How the hell does that help you? What are you going to do, walk into a bar and say hey girls I have a Ferrari? Be a complete douchebag and flash around your keys to everyone that passes? Or go creepy and pull over next to a hot girl and ask her to hop in? I honestly can't imagine a scenario where having an amazing car can help you in picking up a stranger. (BTW I don't have an exotic car, nor would I want to pull girls in this manner, I just want to know how it works!)

Author:	bowlie [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:41 am ]
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its social proof. it shows you are successful and can provide for her, that triggers a primal response. also must help your inner game turning up in one. it may make her put up more bitch sields though because lots of people with flashey cars are douches.

Author:	Fireball [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:47 am ]
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So you "accidentally" bring up the fact that you have a flashy car in your conversation?

Author:	bowlie [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:00 am ]
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well i was presuming she saw it. having it sat at home it wont do anything. unless she sees it parked on your drive, but by that point you are nearly there. i guess just subtlty mention it but dont over play it.

Author:	Fireball [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:09 am ]
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Yeah but realistically, how many people in a bar will have seen you park your car? Doesn't seem to add up.

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Author:	jjthejetplane773 [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:22 am ]
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Obviously, it's only going to help in situations where people know you have the car. I would assume it works best if they just know about it (one person in social group knows and tells friends or some other weird situation like Bowlie said they see you driving it) and you not bragging about it or flashing some keys around (DLV). You can obviously mention it in a story where it doesn't come off as bragging. I think you're confusing a big thing here. Yes, having a fancy car can help in SOME situations, not ALL situations. Bowlie put it best on HOW it can help in SOME situations.

Author:	mcare [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:36 am ]
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IT DOESN'T HELP. I'm in my early 20's driving exotic car and I get asked this all the time. It doesn't help at all. As stated above it's not like girls will see the car and just race to see which one gets in first. EVEN MORE if I go out and get a girl to change venues with me it usualy cools down really fast when they see the car. "I'm not gold digger" shield jumps up and it's just one more thing I have to take care off. I'm doing very well with girls so this is not me trying to find excuse for my game in my car. But the fact is that if I take my other car I actualy have more chance of f-closing same night (dressed and acting the same way). Edit: I just want to add a thing or two to my post. If a person has a fast car and the same person has success with women it doesn't mean that he has success with women because of his car. You have to think about what kind of person generaly drives an exotic. It's a person that is probably successful in his field, probably thinks highly of himself, has the guts, is used of people looking up to him for answers, has standards, has attractive lifestyle and can afford it etc etc. You can't be successful in any area without personal features above. And if you make a list and check every item you can see that most of it fits PUA definition of attractive man perfectly.

Author:	AFCEastChampion [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:41 am ]
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Helps inner game. You've succeeded or been lucky enough to get the car, so you feel unstoppable, and it spills over into other aspects of your life.

Author:	xfman [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:59 am ]
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First of all lets go back to a great post by Style: Quote: Main Attraction Switches: 1. You must show her that you’re safe. Trust is an important issue for most women. This must be demonstrated. So switch #1: in order to proceed, you need SAFETY and TRUST. 2. You must show her that you have either ambition, motivation, or job/financial security. In other words, you must have a life and goals. So switch #2 is demonstrating to her that you have STABILITY and AMBITION. You don’t have to be successful, you just have to show the potential to be successful (unless you’re in your 30s, at which point you should have achieved something). 3. You must show her that you’re different than the other guys, that you are not generic or boring, that she can learn something from you or grow with you, that you have a sense of adventure or creativity or spirituality. So switch #3 is showing her that you HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER, even if you don’t give it to her in the moment. This is where DHVs are useful. 4. You must be the PRIZE of the room. She wants a guy others will envy her for, that she can brag about to her friends. This is where social proof comes in, where story-telling comes in. It’s also where alpha qualities come in, cocky/funny, and not supplicating. So switch #4 is demonstrating all of the many qualities of CONFIDENCE, LEADERSHIP, AUTHORITY, and POPULARITY 5. It’s a big world and we all feel alone in it, so if you can demonstrate that you UNDERSTAND her and where she comes from, she will feel chemistry. This can largely be done through demonstrating either cultural, mental, emotional, world view, humor, or life/background commonalities. The more obscure and rare a trait that you connect on, the more chemistry you create. So Switch #5 is demonstrating COMMONALITIES in order to trigger CHEMISTRY. 6. You need an aura of depth and mystery. You must maybe show a vulnerable or wounded side of yourself, you must not give away everything for free, you must be a puzzle she wants to figure out and maybe even have a wound she can heal. Switch #6 then is hooking her with your DEPTH and MYSTERY. 7. You must show her that you are NOT horny, but sexual. This is where social proof comes in too, also demonstrating an understanding of her world (liking her for who SHE is). So switch #7 is demonstrating your own LACK OF DESPERATION while showing her that you RECOGNIZE SOMETHING SPECIAL IN HER THAT ATTRACTS YOU TO HER. This is where QUALIFYING is useful, in other words demonstrating that you like her for who she is–even if you are a player. So we have that a Ferrari can trigger 4 of the 7 main switches of attraction: * Security: Job/Financial security and success * You must be the Prize: "She wants a guy others will envy her for, that she can brag about to her friends" = "My boyfriend has a Ferrari". There you go. * Adventure: A Ferrari can (Not every time) project this sense of adventure/ adrenaline... Scientists found that certain car sounds (Mustang, Ferrari, etc...) increase blood pressure and adrenaline in females... just by the sound. * Depth and Mystery: Why does he have a Ferrari!? Quote: I honestly can't imagine a scenario where having an amazing car can help you in picking up a stranger Now people that have a Ferrari don't go to bars on weekends they go to Clubs and they arrive with their Ferrari and have the money to spend on the best table of the place with 4 Champagne bottles and well that makes you attractive to many girls (Not all). You also can go for your date in a Ferrari and believe me it affects a lot the interaction. Conclusion: I'm not saying a Ferrari makes you the king of the world, but it DOES help. You don't need one, but there are many girls that will hang out with you just for the idea and to brag. We live in a world in which men is measured by MONEY and a Ferrari is a synonymous of status, power and money. Saying a Ferrari doesn't help is like saying money doesn't help. You don't need money to be successful with women but it DO help. Have you ever put on a BOSS suit, Ferragamo shoes and felt powerful, successful? well it also helps in the Inner Game. And that is what marketing specialists try to project with every brand... beautiful models around the car, around the guy wearing those "Carrera" shades... Telling you: Buy the car, but the shades and you will get the girls As a final word, you will get girls that are interested in your money not in you... Gold-diggers.

Author:	mcare [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:15 am ]
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Note: I try to avoid gold-diggers like crazy so this (and my post above) probably reflect this. I still think it's the other way around. It's the inner game that you HAVE to have in order to get success in any field. xfman: I love expensive suits, shoes, shirts, watches and eyewear but to be honest I think you're talking about inner game again. Can you feel great when you walk out of your closet dressed like million bucks? Sure! But you don't need it to project confidence and success. And for the clothes... There is a clear difference between a good suit or shirt and cheep one. But you can still dress yourself from head to toes for 500$ with a bit of luck and not one girl will be able to pinpoint the difference. I'm still not convinced that any girl (that you can find in a bar) will be able to tell the difference between Kiton Made-to-measure suit and 400$ suit that fits you well. And the first girl that will be able to tell Patek from nice looking 50$ Swatch is the girl I'll marry. About styles post you quoted: 4. backfires all the time (at leat when it comes to day-1). Girls that ARE NOT gold diggers are afraid of being seen as one. I'm not ashamed of my status. I achieved it, have nothing to hide and I'm proud of it. I show it. But I had just enough time to experiment with it. If you asked me few years ago I would agree with you in every point. Today I can borow Peugeot 206, dress in cheap clothes and have 50$ in my pocket and I will have same success. Is it my inner game? Probably. But it was there before I got my hands on fast car and money. I wouldn't have any of those two things otherwise.

Author:	xfman [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:53 pm ]
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Quote: Note: I try to avoid gold-diggers like crazy so this (and my post above) probably reflect this. I still think it's the other way around. It's the inner game that you HAVE to have in order to get success in any field. xfman: I love expensive suits, shoes, shirts, watches and eyewear but to be honest I think you're talking about inner game again. Can you feel great when you walk out of your closet dressed like million bucks? Sure! But you don't need it to project confidence and success. And for the clothes... There is a clear difference between a good suit or shirt and cheep one. But you can still dress yourself from head to toes for 500$ with a bit of luck and not one girl will be able to pinpoint the difference. I'm still not convinced that any girl (that you can find in a bar) will be able to tell the difference between Kiton Made-to-measure suit and 400$ suit that fits you well. And the first girl that will be able to tell Patek from nice looking 50$ Swatch is the girl I'll marry. About styles post you quoted: 4. backfires all the time (at leat when it comes to day-1). Girls that ARE NOT gold diggers are afraid of being seen as one. I'm not ashamed of my status. I achieved it, have nothing to hide and I'm proud of it. I show it. But I had just enough time to experiment with it. If you asked me few years ago I would agree with you in every point. Today I can borow Peugeot 206, dress in cheap clothes and have 50$ in my pocket and I will have same success. Is it my inner game? Probably. But it was there before I got my hands on fast car and money. I wouldn't have any of those two things otherwise. I agree, You don't need any of this stuff (cars, clothes, etc...) to get women but they do help in both Inner Game and Outer Game. More in Inner Game than on outer game. I don't claim every single girl is interested in money but it DO helps, we are all affected by money, we are part of the system. A Ferrari won't define you as a person or get you the girls but it's a plus, talking about economics it's the "Value Added" to the product (in this case the owner of the Ferrari) it could be just confidence or whatever you like but just look at the faces of everyone when they see a Ferrari passing by... From the moment you felt good wearing a BOSS suit you are agreeing that money does affect you... You don't need the suit to be successful but it helps. Just like a Ferrari. Conclusion: I think we agree it affect Inner Game but I still think it can change Outer Game, because we are affected by money and also girls, even though they ain't gold-diggers, they also are affected.

Author:	bowlie [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:29 pm ]
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money dose help like i said. it triggers primal instincs telling a woman this guy can provide for me and my childeren. so it dose help. but money on its own will do nothing. and it isnt nessesary by any means. and i think there is a paradox with matterial posetions. you are showing sucess wich raises your value, but if you show people them then you loose value. it was intersting last year when that take me out program was one. for those that dont know its a realy bad dating show where a guy dose stuff infront of a load of girls and if they are attracted they keep a light on and if they are turned off they turn it off. if at the end anyone is still interested the guy can pick one to go on a date with. there was a millionaire guy on it. he didnt mention it at the begining and had nearly 100% approval. as soon as he mentioned he was rich half the girls stoped being interested. some thought he was a showoff. some didnt want to be seen as gold diggers. e.c.t. the girl he eventuraly chose said it didnt bothre her either way because she was going to be more sucessful than him anyway

Author:	jurupa [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:30 pm ]
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Quote: Saying a Ferrari doesn't help is like saying money doesn't help. It can help you, but it can also very much hurt you as well. Because on the flip side girls may see the ferrari as you compensating for something as well. Another thing to consider is the car having no effect at all due to it being common, yes common. When you live in a rich city or area the chances of people having a ferrari are going to be high. And when that happens the social appeal becomes null as people are to use to the car it has no effect on them.

Author:	Fireball [ Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:17 pm ]
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Quote: IT DOESN'T HELP. I'm in my early 20's driving exotic car and I get asked this all the time. It doesn't help at all. Thanks mcare for the personal insight. That's what I expected. Some people seem to think that if they buy an expensive car the next day they will magically have 3 gorgeous women in their bed, but it doesn't seem to be the case. jurupa is right too, in a place like London it seems every 3rd car is a Porsche, and in the summer every 10th car is a Ferrari.. so it also depends on where you are.

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