Quote: has nothing to do with MM was normal question so actually you should not care about that one.
second when a girl gives you her number she thinks that you are a suitable mate so she accepts that you might kiss her have sex with her etc...i mean well i could be wrong even the top guys are saying this but ok other thing.
anyways to be honest you advice is not bad at all but to be honest it is not the way he should be acting in that situation your just sticking on some points but not at the hole thing of course he should have talked to her for the number an shoudl not wait for it either but you have to look at the logistics and the thing he desrcibed will work if he will follow the thing i already said.
i´m not here to do a pickup contest on which way will work but my way is defently the way it WILL work so i dont know what your problem is in any case...but LD i would recommend you start reading NLP books and lot of other psychological books to first even understand the mind of a woman befor you think about doing anything.
AFC Payman
Hi man.
Ok, lets be clear here. I dont have a problem with you. I do have a problem with your advice. This is indeed not a PU contest, but your advice... is really not that much of advice.
So you say: next is start talking about her relationships. Ok.. so... she is behind the counter, i want to start my workout, or just ended it and i have to go to my own job, but never mind that, lets talk about relationships.... Like she is going to talk about that behind the counter. It will be a very interesting conversation, because she will have to pause everytime somebody else wants something related to her job, which is... standing behind the counter. So, even though she might talk about it, her focus is her job at that time. You cant make her feel much. This my friend, the focus, is ye good olde basic psychology. How you should make her feel things is basic NLP. No matter what Ross Jeffries says, if you have ever tried to even do the basic stuff, you should know that it is not the right time to do it. It is written differently in almost every stupid PU book, but apparently none of those dudes who wrote the shit seem to have tried it. Except Ross perhaps, but even he should be more clear on the proper use of the tool.
Then, to make it even worse if i should follow your advice, is talking about sex... where? at the counter? Common amigo, from what i can read in the original post, we are dealing with a girl who has had nasty experiences with douchebags. Then all of a sudden, without any trust nor anything (as after only 1 hour of fluff talk you have nothing) you start talking about sex? But what are your intentions? She doesnt know, but she can guess. And she will guess right, but it will feel very icky for her because you are hiding that fact. You are hiding that fact with obvious change of subjects and all of a sudden a quit pathetic attempt of a language pattern. she will notice the pattern (although i doubt it that she will recognize the fact that it is a pattern) and she will be on to you.
You know why? There is no trust level. There is not acceptance of your words, they just pass by. Yeah, you will create this image of sex in her head, for like 5 seconds. Then its out again. Replaced with the thought: wtf is it with this dude. he creeps me out. she will think something like that because she recognizes the thought as being inserted on purpose by you. Ill give you a real example of this at the end of this post. But trust me, you wont find that in the books, because there its all jolly ok if you just spit out some random patterns.
The stuff you say, MIGHT work, given the correct context and timing. The girl behind the counter doesnt even want to give her number, sure she will let you in on her relationship details and sure she will believe that the thought you tried to insert using nlp came from her own mind.
Lets see this in an example. We have a customer and a salesmen who is selling cars.
The trick should be (like many believe) that you should not let it look like you are selling, the sneaky way. So the customer enters, and you hit on him.
salesman: 'Hi, good day to you. Have seen our beautiful cars here?'
cust: 'yeah, but i am not here to buy,i have business to attend to with your owner of the place'.
salesman: Yeah ok, that is fine. You are not buying, i accept that.
In the meanwhile, the man is waiting until the owner appears. You hit him again. But the man is aware of you and the fact that you are trying to sell anyway. So if you go to him again and say:
-'yeah, dont think about me selling you a nice red porsche with nice leather furnature, great control, awesome look for a descent price, when i tell you that you should look at our brochure because we have nice discounts next two months. The man will see the red porsche in his mind. But he knows you inserted the thought there to sell. He is annoyed, because you said you accepted the fact that you are not going to try to sell to him. The image will never pop up in his head again without the fact that it was you who put it in there. Therefor, it has no convincing power what so ever. The thing that eliminates the convincing power is something like the critical factor. This is basic NLP as well with some basic hypnosis.
dont advice people to read up on things if you cant at least show that you have experience with it. Dont advice anybody to read about NLP without showing that you think its worth it. Giving one sentence examples is just bringing over the wrong idea about NLP, like its a magic bullet to magically control other peoples minds and let them do your bidding, 100% of the time. Its not like that.
NLP is a seduction tool that needs to be used in a proper way. Would you use a chainsaw to paint your kitchen?
So, to wrap it up: why do i think you advice isnt very insightfull:
- You skip stepts to follow. from relationships to sex to patterning...
- no context whatsoever. how are we supposed to do the things you say?
- it seems like it comes right out of a textbook. Even the phrase 'dont think about...' to make people think about something might even be written on the back of a calendar. it doesnt feel like you have ever tried it yourself. Be more clear, so our man giggety here can do something with it. Not just a bunch of loose concepts you read in some book.
You talk about psychology and the mind of woman, but you give no experiences or concepts to be discussed on that matter. You give us nothing so it becomes clear that you know what you are talking about. In the contrary even. Before you advice people to read up on stuff so they would know what they talk about, perhaps you should have followed your own advice then.
In the case you want to reply to this, please take note of the fact that it is actually a waste of your time to try and prove anything about your knowledge by giving random facts. This is an anonymous message board, 'facts' have no meaning here. If you are going to reply, and i am pretty sure you will, talk in concepts and idea's that can be discussed, as that is still the purpose of this message board.
I am not trying to flame you as a person. I just believe that your advice is no good.
Peace man and good luck
ciao
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