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Author:  fifeguy86 [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:31 pm ]
Post subject:  wanna game this hot girl at my new job
hey guys. got a difficult 1 here. hope someone has the skills to help!

started a new job on monday and we are doing in house training for the first two weeks. we are in a group of 7 and generally quite relaxed and fun in the training room. we all hang together at lunch two. but there is this one girl that caught my eye as soon as i walked in the door. she is 18, stunning, (hb9), blonde hair blue eyes. she has also turned out to be really cool and fun to be around. possible gf material.

for the first day i didnt really pay much attention, i was polite and everything but didnt really speak unless she initiated it. although i am in general quite cocky and funny in group situations anyway and i know a lot more than most of my fellow trainees about the sales biz as i have been in sales for years. this seemed to impress this little pop tart and she seems to have taken quite a liking to me. she moved desk to sit next to me on morning of 2nd day and now always comes out with me when i go for a cig or if we are to work in pairs she picks me. she also bitches bout eveyone else in the group when we are alone (particularly this one guy who is a complete spanner and insisted on walking her home one day) i have teased her a little about silly little things and she has given me some ioi's. she has also said that im 'really smart', 'cool', and that i have nice hair. i have told her she is fun to be around and that we think alike.

you may be thinking;

'whats the problem fifeguy? go fetch'

and you would be right. so here are the problems...........

-she has a ltbf

-i live with my ltgf (something i disclosed to group on first day, as i din't predict a girl like her becoming attracted to me so easily, i havnt run game on her, just been myself, normally i wouldnt game a workmate)

-if i make an advance and it goes tits up it will make things awkward at work and ther is a small chance my gf will find out. and would effect my social status at work!

this is pissing me of cos i know i could fuck her and maybe even be with her but i think i probably have to act before i hit 'friend city'. so far i have been pretty passive and just been myself really but feel i should escalate while my stock is high or should i hold of and let her try to escalate. im pretty convinced she is attracted to me.

advice would be mucho appreciated guys!
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:04 pm ]
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Your 1st mistake here Fifeguy86 is assuming anygirl is gf-material based on looks.

Assume they're not,then have them prove that they are gf-material.

So with that mind set,you've already screwed yourself before the game began.

2nd mistake,according to me,is that you seem to be too invested already.

Nothing wrong with feeling the way you do over this girl,but I hope you're not subcommunicating that vibe to her.

I advocate indirect game,so others who are direct gamers will disagree with me.

But I would totally treat this girl as though she doesnt exist-false disqualifers.

Show more attention to the rest of the group than to her-this' PUA-indirect 101.

Make her question herself & her beauty.

By you going direct and virtually slobbering over her,she'll know that she has you in her pocket already,then she would seek out the guy who's a challenge.

You wont be a challenge by directly going at her and complimenting her.

Haunt her perifery by being more engaging in others around yall so she can see how cool affect you have on others.

You may think that by doing this,some other guy might swoop in and grab her before you do.

It wont happen.

And please stop telling her she's fun to be around too!

Leave things for her imagination instead of bursting the bubble by agreeing with her.

Play indifferent!!

Aim to disagree with her!!!

If she says she likes vanilla-ice cream,you should be telling her,"I hate vanilla,you're so not cool".

That's the essence of flirting-disagreement.

You canot flirt when both of yall agreeing with each other 'cause there would be no push-pull nor challenge.

When she talks about other ppl in the group,instead of you listening,agreeing,you should be saying,"I hope you're not like what you're saying about them".

Make her fight to prove you wrong and prove that she's not like so and so in the group.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:17 pm ]
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I have to stress this point again 'cause I dont see others on the forum doing it:

Play the opposit and contradict her!

If she says she loves chocolate-ice cream,rather on agreeing with her,eventhough you may hate chocolate,tell her that you hate chocolate and that she's dissappoining you and that you're gonna convert her to fun-strawberry lover.

Which should have her blushing,giggly,laughing,tappin you on your shoulders(KINO showing interest).

The above solid IOI's cannot by acheived by agreeance.

The only time you cut off this sought of gaming is way down the line in rapport/comfort when the girl is genuinely trying to connect,and in seduction phase.

No need to be telling DHV stories when you have her panties coming off.

And no need to neg in rapport when she's looking to connect.

But you're currently in attraction phase(phase 1),so this' the time for heavy gaming,False disqulifiers & disagreement.

Guys who advocate direct game may go about this diffrently.
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:22 pm ]
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I wouldn't game a girl you work with EVER. Especially if she has a BF.

The number 1 reason guys get in the friend zone is because they keep building more and more rapport without ever having the balls to tease her or disagree with her at all, and when there are opportunities where it would be OK to escalate, they don't do it.

As long as you flirt and tease her, don't take her shit, be c+f, and escalate in every other way (i.e. kino, but only friendly touching, flash her seductive eyes once in a while, discuss sexual topics with her when appropriate, qualify and comfort build, and so forth) then she won't put you into the "pussy or gay" category, but the "guys I WOULD fuck, but there's something in the way" category.

Then, when she breaks up with said BF, you can just escalate past friendly to sexual touching and you'll be fine.

For now, just be her friend, meet her friends and game them, invite her out to stuff where she sees you in the company of other women and the social centre of attention, and she will remain attracted to you.

Also, it's OK to compliment a girl. Especially if she's just complimented you. Big compliments should be modified by little IODs, but in general I think it's absurdly stupid to purposely disagree with her and neg her the whole time. If you agree with her about something, say so. If you don't, say so too. It's more attractive to have your own strong sense of reality than it is to be constantly trying to one-up her.
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:47 pm ]
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Totally agree Blondguy.

Aiming 100% of the time to disgree with her would be stupid,but my point was,when you genuinely disagree with something-say it!!

And Blondguy,I know you agree.

But most guys aim to please so they agree to liking strawberries,even though they hate them,just becuse the girl likes them.

I love your suggetsion Blondguy on social proofing at a function where Fifeguy86's target is present.
Author:  Chelios [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:22 pm ]
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Good advice guys, K-loc, where the Fook you been bro? Then again I've been away. PM me if you can man, lets talk!
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:46 am ]
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Lmao,whats up Chel'?

I was shocked when I seen you on this post.

I took a break for a while when I fount myself keyboard jokeying too hard(lol).

Plus I was working on my up & down LTR.

I'll pm you Chel'.

Sorry for being off topic guys.
Author:  Chelios [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:59 pm ]
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Quote:
Lmao,whats up Chel'?

I was shocked when I seen you on this post.

I took a break for a while when I fount myself keyboard jokeying too hard(lol).

Plus I was working on my up & down LTR.

I'll pm you Chel'.

Sorry for being off topic guys.
Apologies for going off topic too. I sent a PM K.
Author:  fifeguy86 [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:  re
thanx guys. particularly the blond fella, your proving to be very insightful.

so basically i should just continue what im doing. ie being myself, teasing her, having a laugh, being friendly, agreeing and disagreeing where i would normally.

like your thoughts about continually avoiding the friend zone rather than accepting it is coming and feeling i have to do something before i fall into it. this is groundbreaking for me as previously felt i had a time limit of about a couple of weeks of meeting a girl to make a move of sorts. if this pans out as u detailed then its just going to be a case of biding my time til conditions are right.

should i use boyfriend destroyers or will this just telagraph intrest? are ther some subtle ones i could use? on a similar vein how should i deal with discussing my own relationship? or is it a case of just dont?

finding it tough to turn the conversation round to sex cos no related topics are coming up, any ideas guys?

kloc, i know i prob am getting a little too invested in this chick but if you met her you would know why. she is hot as hell, really funny to be around, really mature for 18, her family has money, we have some shared values and goals, plus a load of other stuff, most importantly she has taken a real liking to me without me even trying, only today did i start using game. but i do take your point i could be getting a bit ahead of myself! lol.

i dunno if i should number close her. i know i would get it but i just dont know if its worth bothering SPAM as i dont wana telegraph intrest yet and my gf might read through my phone (i suspect she does). i did have another phone that i kept in my car but i got banned from driving last month so left the phone at me maw and da's hoose.

hoping we have a work xmas night out so i can use the blond chaps social proof idea. pub/club enviroment suits my game so could be v. effective! when you say game the other girls do you mean string them along and have them wanting it? or actually go ahead and fuck one of them? i dont want her to know im a player. would be ideal to just make her jealous and hit it home to her that she wants me, although i reckon she is well aware as even others are starting to notice. the trainer said today that she thought ther was something going on wi us cos of the way she is wi me. she never changed tho even when people were taken the piss bout her following me out to smoking area in the snow when she dont even smoke lol. pretty sure she dont have any idea im into her sexually.

any more advice is always welcome my friends
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:37 pm ]
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@Fifeguy86-Im feeling you on that;it's easy for me to say dont get invested,but to actually be in an HB's presence is a differnt story.

As far as bf-destroyers,I've learned from reading bf-destroyer articles online that a good tactic is to actually talk up her bf.

Once again,this' more indirect gaming.

I'd actually ask to see a pic' of the bf,then say something like,"He looks pretty cool,I hope the relationship totally works out".

Guys,it's all about baiting and not telling her what she expects.

She expects you to sayy,"wow,I'd like to take you from your bf".

She expects you to talk bad about her bf in order to insert youself in the equation.

Dont give her what she expects and she'll be more attracted & curious as to why you're not throwing yourself at her.

As far as you having a gf,I totally dont avoid the topic.

I make it known that Im taken(which I am).

It's part of my in-field repetoire to bring up my gf,especially when she'd mentioned prior that she has a bf.

Example:

HB:"So do you have a gf"?

Me:"Hell yea I do.Im kinda offended by you insinuating that I didnt have one(lol)".It' 2010,you gotta be gay if you dont have a gf(lol)".

I always use that line infield and it' always gotten the girl to laugh,tap me on my shoulder(IOI),then try rationalizing why she asked if I had a gf.

Even when I was single,I used to tell girls I was taken!

The psycology is obvious behind why I tell girls Im taken:every woman loves competition,challenge & potential drama down the line.

So if the subject of bf-gf comes up,I'd totally eat up the subject.
Author:  fifeguy86 [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  re
talking up her bf, interesting theory! thanks man.

told a couple of dhv stories today which she seemed to really dig.

you'v got me thinkin bout showing her a pic of me and my gf (who is v hot but a pain in the ass) on monday as it will count as pre-selection i guess.

cant wait to get bk to work on monday! (cant remember last time i said that! lol)
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:35 pm ]
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DefinitelyFifeguy86,we're thinking alike.

My MILF gf is a pain in the ass too so I feel where you're coming from.

Definitely a major pre-selection switch by showing her a pic of your gf.

My main Facebook pic is of me and an HB9 I used to bang.

I get many girls aking if she's my gf.

I know you're smart enough to calibrate and time it correctly.

You dont want to come off as braggy and insecure by showing her the pic' out of the blue.

Most guys hide the fact they have a gf and lie.

Major DHV to actually have a gf.

Checc the psycology:

I know this guy since childhood,he's good looking,nice size,has money,2 cars,3 jobs,etc.

But he doesnt have a girlfriend.

He doesnt get laid.

There's no reason why he should not get laid.

He eventually met a girl online and brought her to town,now the local girls are gunning for him.

But when he was single,they ignored the shit out of him.
Author:  fifeguy86 [ Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:50 pm ]
Post subject:  re
-kloc i usually lie bout havin a gf in a pub/club situation but cos we were talking in group at work on first day and the gettin to know eachother shit i ended up sayin i lived wi my gf and that. at the time i didnt even think, i was jus bein myself but it has shown me i dont have to lie anymore cos it hasnt stopped this girl gettin atracted to me and as i were sayin it adds preselection and as u said it is a dhv! we definitely are on the same page my friend. we need to stay in touch. i think its important to confer with likeminded individuals, i could learn a lot from you and blondguy and hopefully contribute a few things myself. although i only found the seduction community 7 or 8 months ago, i have always had good natural game and knew the traditional rules of dating were outdated and unproductive. i learned things like teasing,cockyness and dhvs worked thru trial and error. i just wish i had found this forum when i was 14!

do you use any games or routines? i do (5lies game,lying game,fuckmarrykill etc etc ) but havnt run any on this target as yet.....what do you think would be suitable for the situation guys?
Author:  PUA Kenny [ Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:21 am ]
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Thanks for the props on being like-minded.

Blondguy's definitely a super-mind jedi(lol)who can teach us a lot.

You're pretty advanced Fifeguy86 for only discovering community months ago.

As far as routines,I definitely use them.

I use "who lies more" routine,and I use variations of the cube,and palm reading/ESP routines.

But I've naturally graduated from community's canned stuff where I now come up with my own DHV stories,my own canned materials.
Author:  fifeguy86 [ Sat Dec 04, 2010 12:45 am ]
Post subject:  re
i feel i would advance a lot more if i was single and could spend more time in field and i think thats going to have to occur sooner or later. lookin at getti flat wi my mate and teaching him some game. he's seen me work and wants to get in on it.

what canned stuff would you use on this girl if ya were me?

prob gonna do 5 lies on monday cos i know it really well and it flows so natural for me now.
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