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Author:  Confident_Guy [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:31 am ]
Post subject:  Seed gaming – making them chase you.
The point of this concept is making yourself known to a number of females, sending out signals that makes them think there might be something there, but then doing the opposite of what most guys hanging around them do, which is never leave. You make yourself known, add some vibe and then you're off. This is suitable for situations or venues where you are likely to see the girl again later, hence the concept of seeding – for a later harvest. Obviously, this does not work well if you meet a hottie on the subway, although it keeps you in the right mindset of adding value and not trying to "get" anything from the girl. Also, if done in situations where it is obvious you two most likely wont see each other again, if the chemistry is there, she might end up asking for your number!

I have tried to summarize three scenarios.

1. The creamy drop-off

This is more or less a walk-by, bump in, etc. You interact very briefly around some reason, can be anything from you got the time + 1-2 follow up comments, perhaps a teasing joke about her purse or clothes etc. The key is to subcommunicate through tonality, body language, eye-contact etc, that you just might be interested. And then you move on. Keep it light and sort of flirty but stay away from anything that signals you are on the pull.

When you leave she should be asking, hey, why didn't he stay and talk to me, he was fun and hot and normal too!

Maximum 1-2 minutes, quick and sweet

You can do any number of these, in a queue, at the bar, talking to someone at the next table, as you leave your jacket at the wardrobe etc.

The drop-off accomplishes one important thing, it bursts the social bubble that says that you two don't know each other. Now you have already met, and she supposedly enjoyed it and wanted it to last longer. Also, the fact that you leave creates a question in her mind.

Then when you meet again, at the dance floor, in the cafeteria etc, you are no longer strangers.

2. The buildup and leave

This is an expanded version of the drop-off, where you basically open but also connect a little before you leave. You stay around a little longer and create a little more comfort/connection. The thing here is to make it light and casual, keeping your exit in mind. The more natural the conversation flows, the longer you can stick around, but be sure to direct your body away from them/ her. The typical sequence would be

A. Functional opener, anything that feels "non-construed"
B. Quickly get personal, So are you from around here? Blah blah, look to connect over some joint interest, if it fits into conversation, reflect your emotional reaction to what she is saying back to her, like if she says she just moved in from a small town, "yeah I know what you mean, at first I too a felt a bit intimidated when I moved here, but the city kind of grows on you". Done in a context where you are otherwise acting confident, it doesn't communicate low value, rather that you are a mature and masculine guy relating to her experience.
C. As you sense her picking up interest, you smile, vibe a little and start moving away.

In addition to the drop-off effect of establishing that you have already met, here you also communicate that you are a normal and confident guy, comfortably making small-talk to any stranger AND that you are emotionally able to connect. But again you sprinkle the interaction with small non-verbal flirty signals, some natural kino, like a hand on her upper arm as you say "nice talking to you" and walk away. When you leave, her feeling is that you two connected, that you were flirting in a fun way, but not to get something from her. Makes her feel that you had a special connection.

3. Struck by lightning

Here you go the other way around. You start out by a direct opener, straight on flirting with her in a clever way. Example: Don't look away, look her straight in the eye and smile "So how's it going, met any hot guys tonight?" Blah blah. Look at her lips as she talks. Smile and vibe, being openly flirty with her. But only for a short while. Then you ease over to some casual small talk, maintaining the tension but talking about "normal" things. If it picks up and she signals interest, when you leave she might be saying, hey where are you going, grab your arm or something like that, wanting to re-initiate the first flirty feeling. Again, the fact that you leave signals high status, you might be interested, but rather than pestering her like so many of the tools around, you have something more interesting going on.

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If you do this seeding consistently in everyday life and on the venues you frequently go to, there will be a number of women out there knowing about you and starting to look for ways to end up next to you. As you meet them again you move on to interacting with them in the style that is natural to you. A warning though, depending on the girl, if you continue the evasive style she might think that you actually are not interested, so don't be afraid to amp up the volume when you meet again.

Like always, girls have all kinds of things going on in their lives, so if someone is being a bit cold or if you don't hit it off, don't worry, it is most likely not the right timing for her. She might still have a nice friend and if you meet again she will either signal to her friend that you are interesting, thus helping you out with her friend, or if she is still be a bit hostile, it could be that she is saving you for later and doesn't want her friend to take you off the market...
Author:  new2game [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:37 am ]
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Will field test this tomoro night (uni night).

I will admit I have stayed in a set because I thought that if I hung around more I would get further.

Will definitely try this and report back.
Author:  Confident_Guy [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:47 am ]
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Yeah, leaving a set can be a good thing, if you have the chance of a later meetup. Of course you risk her and her friends bouncing to some other place before you get the chance. But then again, you might meet up some other night! good luck bro!
Author:  Ryan Black SashaPUA [ Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:26 pm ]
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This is excellent strategy. When going to a club, it's good to open as many sets as possible because it gives you social proof and will raise you value, helping you open future sets. Same goes for a friend's party, for example. Showing you're willing to walk away, and that you're social and know a lot of other people, and giving off the feeling that the girl has to entertain you and prove herself to you otherwise you'll get bored and she'll lose you, are all great.

However, you have to be careful. If you're at a busy club and you hit it off with an HB9/10, and things are going really well, then if you eject early when you had the opportunity to continue, you may rue your decision because another guy can come along and exploit the sexual energy that you just created, and steal them away from you. It's certainly happened to me.
Author:  new2game [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:17 am ]
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This is excellent strategy. When going to a club, it's good to open as many sets as possible because it gives you social proof and will raise you value, helping you open future sets. Same goes for a friend's party, for example. Showing you're willing to walk away, and that you're social and know a lot of other people, and giving off the feeling that the girl has to entertain you and prove herself to you otherwise you'll get bored and she'll lose you, are all great.

However, you have to be careful. If you're at a busy club and you hit it off with an HB9/10, and things are going really well, then if you eject early when you had the opportunity to continue, you may rue your decision because another guy can come along and exploit the sexual energy that you just created, and steal them away from you. It's certainly happened to me.
EXACTLY, its a catch 22 situation.
Author:  Confident_Guy [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:44 am ]
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Sure, and it can also be an excuse not to push forward if things are going well, instead of going for the kiss you chicken out and exit to "show high value". That doesnt work at all.

But the willingness to walk away is still a powerful mindset even if you are with a hb9-10, she will feel the difference vs if you are hanging around afraid to lose her. It comes from the same mental place as the "blow-me-out-or-blow-me" attitude, but doesnt force her to tip her hand.

And of course, you dont seed forever, the point is to create interest in several women so they come after you, but once they do, you MOVE FORWARD!
Author:  Naughty_pencil [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:53 pm ]
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its very important to actually make it clear why ur leaving or walking away. i.e must be called by friends.

if u just leave then she might think u got scared or uncomfortable or put off or wateva.

always look bak wink smile as u leave the girl. hugely important
Author:  mymeowcat [ Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:51 pm ]
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This sounds like what I do now in day time cases where it is almost impossible to really connect. For example:

1) Barista at a coffee shop while standing in line.
2) Girl who always arrives to our volleyball games with what appears to be an orbiter or BF or something.
3) Aerobics classes with the instructor who is busy with things.

As for things like baristas in a coffee shop --- I make it a point not to show up if I'm in a downer mood and only go when I'm upbeat...otherwise my value would just go down.
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