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Author:  Shinigaml [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 3:41 am ]
Post subject:  This girls too hard to read
Ok to start off and I know it's somewhat sad but my problem is at church. And no I don't go there to pick up woman. It just so happens that the girl to guy ratio here is like 5-1 (no, probably more) and there's this one girl I'm attracted to. That girl I would say, she's probably the most "popular" (? I guess that's the word to use) out of all the girls there.

Well I recently moved to a new church here (2nd week going there) and I don't really know anyone here. But it seems every girl stares at me during mass. The girls even screamed and woo'd during my "welcoming" as if I was a celebrity or something... So that leads me to believe that I am a pretty good looking guy with a good fashion sense. And I also convey good body language and confidence. So pretty much my DHV is through the roof IF being compared with other males in our group AND in general. I'm already pre-selected by women there, and I seem to be the prize in the room. Pretty much I attract all the women there naturally... But there's this one girl that defied all my expectations of her by being the complete opposite of everyone else in the room.

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When I looked at her this one time, usually girls look away really fast (a good sign) but she just stood there and looked back without a smile. Was kind of awkward.

But I would still catch her a few times looking at me but it wasn't the kind of look that all the other girls gave.

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I haven't really been able to talk to her YET but I've been talking to her friends. One of her friends are actually obsessed with me and already sent me 3 texts in the first day I met her... She asked me if I had a bf etcetc. Kind of annoying. But I'm hoping she'd tell the girl I'm attracted to, more about who I am. And as the laws of attraction go... She'll begin to like me because another girl likes me.

Anyways, she seems to act/be the least interested in my presense. I don't get it.. Is she playing hard to get? Is she just waiting for me to approach her? How come she doesn't naturally like me. This shit is weird. I really wasn't given any time to approach her which I already should have...

Please explain what's going on. Maybe the things I did wrong and why the girl is acting the way she is.
Author:  insurgentes [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:19 pm ]
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what i feel is that, you have met a high value, alpha woman.

and although generally i would tell people to see every response from a girl as an IOI, it may not be so. doesnt mean all the girls look at you, text you, means they are sexually attracted to you. which means to her, your social proof may not even be there.

you have to go up and talk to her. calibrate. see her responses, game if you want, dont game if you cant handle it. some girls are just wired differently- they dont respond to social proofing very well. i know, i had first hand experience with this before. you have to get VERY close with the other girls, make them your best friends, your entourage,do crazy things with them, go out etc. then when you are with her, you isolate yourself from them and treat her sincerely. she will feel the difference. you are preselected, you are good with girls.

calibrate. calibrate. calibrate. you are not dealing with a typical woman here. tell us more, lets see how we can help. cheers
Author:  Shinigaml [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:17 am ]
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what i feel is that, you have met a high value, alpha woman.

and although generally i would tell people to see every response from a girl as an IOI, it may not be so. doesnt mean all the girls look at you, text you, means they are sexually attracted to you. which means to her, your social proof may not even be there.

you have to go up and talk to her. calibrate. see her responses, game if you want, dont game if you cant handle it. some girls are just wired differently- they dont respond to social proofing very well. i know, i had first hand experience with this before. you have to get VERY close with the other girls, make them your best friends, your entourage,do crazy things with them, go out etc. then when you are with her, you isolate yourself from them and treat her sincerely. she will feel the difference. you are preselected, you are good with girls.

calibrate. calibrate. calibrate. you are not dealing with a typical woman here. tell us more, lets see how we can help. cheers
Thanks for the advice.

More about her... Hmm. Well for starters she is one of the lead singers that sing every sunday. Her confidence is definetly through the roof and she does not seem to care what others think of her. She has a very cute and playful personality when I see her with her girl friends. In general she seems very happy most the time. Yeah... she's definetly not shy at all unlike most other girls.

Quite frankly I'm not really into or know much about "church game", if any. I thought it'd be easier to meet girls at church but the 1 day per week time frame is very difficult. And it's not like I have a lot of time within the time in Church. Since after Mass we divide into groups and talk about our religion for another hour. And then she practices singing with another group for like another hour. And then she goes into another group to talk about "life problems" (some deep sh1t lol..)

Is my situation really hopeless or just stacked against me? lol.
I mean, it'd be pretty awkward if I asked to join choir with her (especially since im not good at singing) and suddenly talk about my life problems with her (because that'll be revealing way too much sh1t about me too early on) or even switching groups when talking about religion (because that'll come off as a stalker).

Yeah, I'd appreciate more advice. Obviously social proof, appearance, and obvious pre-selection do not affect this girl whatsoever..
Author:  insurgentes [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:44 am ]
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hahas, be serious during your church time and dont think about getting girls. religion is religion, keep the girls for after mass or when everything's done. :D

ok, does not respond to social proof, appearance whatsoever. Only one option: you and her. game her, talk to her, whatever, you have got to prove yourself to her. i mean, to her, what's the use if this guy can talk, have fun and attract all the girls in the room, yet not open his mouth and talk to me?

maybe shes a playette. a social butterfly. with many quality men in her life. or she has a serious boyfriend. maybe shes even married. whatever the reason, throw it aside and approach her. sometimes i notice social proof isnt even necessary sometimes, its all about how you deal with her and how you handle her.

best of luck bro, i'll hear from you again. :D
Author:  Switchmaster [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:39 am ]
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what is this weak ass afc shit lol?

Social proof works on every women, for fucks sake when you looked at her, she looked back and smiled! How much more of an open invitation do you want?

PS Social proof even worked on you....you said she was the most popular girl there, highest social value>? Curious how she was the one who caught your eye.....;)

Stop trying to change what you do to align yourself with her e.g. joining choir or whatever, why dont you just grow some nuts and go up to her, start talking "hey im going to steal you away for a couple minutes" etc.

The advice of building entourage with her friends, and being sincere when isolated with her, is good advice for church game as well. Think, radical honesty, and you are on the way. (Google it if you dont know what i mean)
Author:  insurgentes [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:12 am ]
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Stop trying to change what you do to align yourself with her e.g. joining choir or whatever, why dont you just grow some nuts and go up to her, start talking "hey im going to steal you away for a couple minutes" etc.
this line's gold man, love it, thats what i did with my girl, even when my game was far from good. she felt it too yea! and that was without so much social proof. so with social proof.....well the results would be spectacular.
Author:  Shinigaml [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:12 am ]
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what is this weak ass afc shit lol?

Social proof works on every women, for fucks sake when you looked at her, she looked back and smiled! How much more of an open invitation do you want?

PS Social proof even worked on you....you said she was the most popular girl there, highest social value>? Curious how she was the one who caught your eye.....;)

Stop trying to change what you do to align yourself with her e.g. joining choir or whatever, why dont you just grow some nuts and go up to her, start talking "hey im going to steal you away for a couple minutes" etc.

The advice of building entourage with her friends, and being sincere when isolated with her, is good advice for church game as well. Think, radical honesty, and you are on the way. (Google it if you dont know what i mean)
well no she didnt smile back when she looked :( thats the thing lol.

But I guess your right about grabbing my nuts and just straight up approaching her.
Author:  Hakuna [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:26 am ]
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Maybe she's lesbian or asexual...
Author:  Switchmaster [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:05 am ]
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Let us know how it goes!

remember, although IOIs are useful, they are not the "be all and end all" of attraction. I have closed many girls who did not give me the traditional IOIs (hair playing, scratching back of hand or neck, pointing of feet etc etc)

Better to assume attraction, and just joke around with her like you guys have been friends forever.
Author:  insurgentes [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:24 am ]
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now since we are on this topic, lemme ask you guys a question too? (sorry OP, but it may help you too!)

this girl i liked for quite a while now, it seems she got into a relationship recently with a damn alpha dude (natural, i presuming). but i never seriously gamed her yet. should grab my nuts too and approach, game her full on? how do i destroy that fuck of a bf so wholesomely she will be wanting me instead? (sorry if i sound scary and possessive, i was so pissed when i saw the picture of them together)
Author:  Switchmaster [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:12 am ]
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GFTOW. Preferably her girlfriends.
Author:  insurgentes [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:25 am ]
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GFTOW. Preferably her girlfriends.
sending you a pm in progress....
Author:  Switchmaster [ Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:54 am ]
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GFTOW. Preferably her girlfriends.
sending you a pm in progress....
Cool man! Always happy to chat :)
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