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Does race play a part in womens thinking???
well i mean in South Africa and with the whole Apartheid thing people still seem to have that sort of mindset and it is really hard to attract people outside my race (which is black by the way) so im wondering if race has anything to do with it? and if it does pls help with techniques that can counter this. i dont think that im the only one expierincing this tho same with my friends it seems like the majority of white chicks just arent into black guys. Im 16 if it makes any difference at all.

It really depends on the girl. Where you live in SA also has a lot of significance.

In the more liberal areas of the country, it's not a big deal. But in the conservative areas, it's frowned upon. You also have to understand that girls are raised by parents who were a part of the "old SA" and they force their beliefs onto them. This has begun to fade out somewhat, but the prejudice is still quite prevalent. But it's not always a race thing, it's just a preference thing.

Pulling some major thread necromancy here.

Like other users have said, it's a matter of the girl herself. But what affects that is how she was raised.

Here's some reading for y'all:
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your- ... -you-back/
OKCupid did a project with its own users that showed that race affected response rate. Obv, people lie about race, but that does factor in. On POF, I've been filtered out by women who only want messages from white guys.

http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/4 ... -love-life
Common quote by racist women. "I can't imagine dating a black/Indian/Asian/Eskimo guy"
Racism is best defined as the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. In this case, superior in date-ability. And to pass that off as some kind of "preference" is extremely distasteful. I understand people have preferences, but to have preference over something like race/skin color/hair color is EXTREMELY shallow. Let's be real, dude; that blonde would look just as good if she died her hair red or black.

best not to really worry about it because what are you gonna do, change race?

Author:	Black knight [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:14 pm ]
Post subject:	Does RACE matter???
Does race play a part in womens thinking??? well i mean in South Africa and with the whole Apartheid thing people still seem to have that sort of mindset and it is really hard to attract people outside my race (which is black by the way) so im wondering if race has anything to do with it? and if it does pls help with techniques that can counter this. i dont think that im the only one expierincing this tho same with my friends it seems like the majority of white chicks just arent into black guys. Im 16 if it makes any difference at all.

Author:	The Heartless Kid [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:39 pm ]
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well bro its something that we are raised with, like it goes back to when we were like 5 or 6 yrs old im russian and i like european and russian girls idk why but im just more attracted to them then most other girls, i guess cuz i was raised that way maybe but im not rly into asian or dark skinned chicks idk why im jus not and i have a friend of mine whos ukranian and he likes mostly asian chicks and i know some girls who are european and date only black guys and some girls wouldn't even look at any other man unless hes from that same area they are bro it rly depends on the girl and how they were raised, i dun think u can change her mind about what kind of man she wants, or u can become friends with her and see what she likes and become that man, (idk how btw lol) but i dun see in the harm of trying to get wit em, its one of those things that we jus live with hope this helps

Author:	TrueFlame [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:37 pm ]
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Quote: Does race play a part in womens thinking??? well i mean in South Africa and with the whole Apartheid thing people still seem to have that sort of mindset and it is really hard to attract people outside my race (which is black by the way) so im wondering if race has anything to do with it? and if it does pls help with techniques that can counter this. i dont think that im the only one expierincing this tho same with my friends it seems like the majority of white chicks just arent into black guys. Im 16 if it makes any difference at all. Ironically, here in the UK white chicks can't get enough of black guys. It is a common complaint amongst white guys. I read a study which suggests white girls here think afro-caribbean guys are more masculine than white guys but regular africans (a minority of the "black" population) are not. I think that is what is attractive rather than the ethnicity itself ie a culture of masculinity exists amongst afro-caribbeans. This suggests to me that race isn't a big deal, it is simply the behaviours that tend to go with cultures that are attractive, not a big problem as you can acquire those desirable behaviours. An Irish girl I dated had a thing for black guys, but was attracted to me, I think mainly because I carry myself with the same level of masculinity as a "typical" (whatever the hell that means) black guy here. And, I do all the kino and NLP stuff girls tend to like in less masculine guys that black guys don't generally know shit about. She certainly loved that. Another point: if a girl has been brought up to believe there is something bad about racial mixing, that can make her really attracted to you, a very powerful seduction tool. Not sure if that would work in SA though as the white minority is so outnumbered by the black population, it depends on how closeted she is. I guess girls are often just attracted to something different, so it may be not so much that you are black, just that you don't stand out like you would here. You should be able to get round that easily by peacocking.

Author:	cerebralassassin [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:21 pm ]
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i think the reverse of this also true as well i know a few white guys who have their own ethnic preference like my closest friend is married to a japanese girl, another friend is engaged to a mixed raced girl. now to be totally honest and i am probably gonna be deemed racist for this comment but i would only date a white girl, i just have zero interest sexually in asian and black girls, but thats my preference. which is annoying because i agree with the comment made about by Trueflame about uk white girls not being able to get enough of black guys i have approached a couple of times gotten friendly then found out they only go out with black guys.

Author:	SSN [ Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:41 pm ]
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It really depends on the girl. Where you live in SA also has a lot of significance. In the more liberal areas of the country, it's not a big deal. But in the conservative areas, it's frowned upon. You also have to understand that girls are raised by parents who were a part of the "old SA" and they force their beliefs onto them. This has begun to fade out somewhat, but the prejudice is still quite prevalent. But it's not always a race thing, it's just a preference thing. I for one live in a town with an Afrikaans majority. The girls all say that they will never date a black guy. They just don't find them attractive. It's understandable. As for the techniques, I don't think it's really something you can use a technique to get around. Just be yourself and if they tell you they're not into black guys, don't let it phase you. Game other girls.

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Author:	Black knight [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:04 am ]
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Thanks for all the help. I live in joburg bt it doesnt seem to make much of a difference except for the odd chick who is slightly more open(could be that i go to a private school and knw mostley private school women) they might see things in a different way? I undestand all your points about preference and if somebody has a certain preference there isnt much any1 can do to change it. Its just a bumber thats all:-) bt its nt gonna stop me from trying. All ur guy's posts helped imma peacock a bit keep trying display attractive behaviour and if it doesnt work o well.

Author:	vizzy [ Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:13 am ]
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As much as I'd like to say "No". Unfortunately the answer is yes. (In SOME cases..most certainly not ALL). It also depends on where you live. However, we will probably never live in a completely unbiased and discrimination free society. People are all too arrogant, ignorant, and stupid. With that being said. Find a girl who IS attracted to you. Not for your race or whatever, but just because she likes you. Don't go out actively looking for girls who don't like your particular race.

Author:	TrueFlame [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:40 pm ]
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Quote: It really depends on the girl. Where you live in SA also has a lot of significance. In the more liberal areas of the country, it's not a big deal. But in the conservative areas, it's frowned upon. You also have to understand that girls are raised by parents who were a part of the "old SA" and they force their beliefs onto them. This has begun to fade out somewhat, but the prejudice is still quite prevalent. But it's not always a race thing, it's just a preference thing. The difference is absolutely crucial. If a girl just doesn't fancy you because of your ethnicity, that's one thing. If she's been told that it is WRONG to date black guys, that is another entirely. Indeed, that can form the basis of a very powerful attraction. I'd kill for that type of opportunity, to be forbidden fruit, to shock her parents, to make her feel like just being with you is DANGEROUS.

Author:	crazy1320 [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:15 pm ]
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it depend where you live. on a whole most women will have a stereotype of different men (usually positive) and the intensity of this depends on the location As you are South African i know many Afrikaaners hold quite conservative strong views and think in stereotype a lot. in your case i believe the best solution would be to not conform to the stereotype. just continue to show yourself as a positive person (follow pua techniques etc) One way would be to get yourself some smart clothing to present yourself in a positive light. race should become less of an issue provided you look and sound good

Author:	SOUL_FIGHTER [ Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:43 am ]
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Pulling some major thread necromancy here. Like other users have said, it's a matter of the girl herself. But what affects that is how she was raised. Here's some reading for y'all: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your- ... -you-back/ OKCupid did a project with its own users that showed that race affected response rate. Obv, people lie about race, but that does factor in. On POF, I've been filtered out by women who only want messages from white guys. http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/4 ... -love-life Common quote by racist women. "I can't imagine dating a black/Indian/Asian/Eskimo guy" Racism is best defined as the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. In this case, superior in date-ability. And to pass that off as some kind of "preference" is extremely distasteful. I understand people have preferences, but to have preference over something like race/skin color/hair color is EXTREMELY shallow. Let's be real, dude; that blonde would look just as good if she died her hair red or black.

Author:	enoking [ Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:32 am ]
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I think it has to do with personal preference and I think you can prefer a certain ethnic group without being racist. Personally, I like Asian girls. I don't think it's a fetish like some guys. I know guys who seem to prioritize Asian over attractiveness. I like that Asian girls tend to be more petite and and cuter than the rest of the population. Having said that, I find girls of every race attractive. I was never attracted to black women before (I've been with a light-skinned one, but that was the exception), but I have a new coworker, a young black woman, very dark skinned, tall, a little bit thick in the right places, drop-dead gorgeous. I wouldn't hesitate to sleep with her if it wouldn't make things weird at work and get me in trouble. Having said all that, I think you'd be wasting your time with the white chicks there, because they're not likely to change their mind, especially if they have a deep-seated preference. Is there a reason you don't go for black chicks?

Author:	neo87 [ Tue Aug 26, 2014 1:09 pm ]
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Quote: Pulling some major thread necromancy here. Like other users have said, it's a matter of the girl herself. But what affects that is how she was raised. Here's some reading for y'all: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your- ... -you-back/ OKCupid did a project with its own users that showed that race affected response rate. Obv, people lie about race, but that does factor in. On POF, I've been filtered out by women who only want messages from white guys. http://www.thebolditalic.com/articles/4 ... -love-life Common quote by racist women. "I can't imagine dating a black/Indian/Asian/Eskimo guy" Racism is best defined as the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. In this case, superior in date-ability. And to pass that off as some kind of "preference" is extremely distasteful. I understand people have preferences, but to have preference over something like race/skin color/hair color is EXTREMELY shallow. Let's be real, dude; that blonde would look just as good if she died her hair red or black. Why is it racist to prefer to date a certain race? Let's be honest, a race is more than the color of someone's skin. Different races have different facial features and cultures. Is it wrong for someone not to find a certain facial type unattractive? I don't like Asian girls. 1. Because of their style in my city, and 2. Because I'm just not attracted to their body type and facial features. Everyone has preferences and there are just some things people don't find attractive.

Author:	Mr_International [ Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:33 pm ]
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The answer is yes.... for some. Sometimes racism is the reason, sometimes its just a matter of preference. Just try to remind yourself "attraction is not a choice." Think about it, do you know why you're attracted to certain types of women? Probably not, so don't stress it. Just try to be the best you can be and eventually, you will land your type.

Author:	TheFury [ Tue Aug 26, 2014 6:34 pm ]
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Yea it matters, but it's best not to really worry about it because what are you gonna do, change race?

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Author:	mr_cat [ Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:38 pm ]
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Quote: best not to really worry about it because what are you gonna do, change race? I used to think about it too much, i live in the UK and i'm mixed race and because i let it bother me too much i absolutely missed chances as i talked myself out of it! Unfortunately, i think race could still be an issue in SA but all the girls/women i've met in the UK have had some kind of fling with asian/black guys here so i could be 100% wrong! Just don't focus on it!