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| Author: | phantomnote [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | So I've basically gotten tired of theory |
Upon reading loads of different material - I decided I'd compiled what fit me the most into a short little method. I do realize alot of different things might also work - but I decided since this has been working the best for me, since it's in coherence with who I am - this is what I'd focus my time on It might look a little confusing to look at since it's only a small note that is created for me to quickly refresh the most basic knowledge - I believe the rest is best learned in field. Body-language Relaxed Look into the eyes of the person you're speaking to - eases conversation Smile - low genetic, shows optimism Any approach - if possible smile and look into eyes before opening Cold approach Always open with comfort (C) Mixed sets - go in via the guys (not trying to come on to someone, they'll let you in) Opener Depending on situation Social setting: Pre-open - statement qualifier - "hey, you seem really friendly!" - "hey you guys seem really friendly" - ask situational question, who they know - about the venue w/e - introduce yourself - handshake - move on (BR) Getting back to them - ask how they're doing - transition into conversation During a non-setup/setup setting Add value! Opener: Observational - for example on their own - "why are you alone" or something about the surroundings Functional - you ask them something for info - or you try to help someone out Compliment opener - compliment something they have invested in - their clothing for example If they seem bored - "hey you seem really friendly" - Then introduce yourself Group: Open one person or only a few as normal - then invite others into conversation Dependes on the situation - social intelligence Warm approach - hey, how are you doing Not knowing them that well - hey I've seen you before - refer to situation (C) Often - statement then asking them will get them into the conversation Transition: Social setting - can go directly into getting to know them Non-social setting: Observational - situational Ex: Haven't seen you before - are you from around here? So are you actually from around here? So why are you all on your own? Where are you heading Conversational tactics: First of, to add value - talk about their dreams, joys, ambitions - it's all about them and talking about something they're interested in talking about Comment on commonalities and or say when you think something is cool - suggest doing something based on their interest (justifies seeing them again) Use mostly statements when talking - creates conversational flow Listen fully to what they are saying - then respond Don't be afraid to follow the flow of the conversation - it must transition Easy ways to add fun to the conversation (to be used with social intelligence): Be a character examples: the devil on her shoulder - or inner voice high maintenance woman overly confident playboy the victim of her seduction Play her Characters in that kind of genre Roleplaying: You're in a situation - she is pursuing you, youre in a relationship, you're on a trip, shes your employee - whatever Disqualification and making it look like she is hitting on you is good Games: Spontaneusly take something - a conversation - and turn it into a game. Because it's fun - it opens up to a more interesting conversation Also doing activities when possible is always good Contact close: You seem like a nice person - what would be the best way to get into contact with you? Text/phone game: Same as usual - smileys are good used to keep contact with people. Text is less pressure than calling. Less flaking: Open ended interesting thing ex: you wont believe what I've just seen Day 2's: Upon texting a little - making friends: Something you have in common, suggest going to a low pressure place - removal of dating frame Best: invite them out with your friends (social proof) and suggest that they are allowed to bring friends too - less pressure. Then when they start being real close you can go for higher pressure options (one of your places for example) Social Proof - meet alot of girls - make friends, invite them out all together Breaking rapport (BR) Comfort has to be established break some of the rapport, then re-establish it - to create comfort seeking behaviour (investment) Types: Physical - ex: playfully push her away, make her do something Teasing Disqualification - ex: say you won't work out for X reason - say you like something she hasn't got (hair color for example - something minor) If you ever say something sexual - "your smile is sexy" - only do it in a small manner - sex is such a taboo - will easily break Teasing qualification statement - I bet you're the girl that: (somewhat dorky/fun whatever personality trait) Conversational silence - When somewhat into conversation - stop the talk/if it stops - be comfortable with it - and look at them, as if expecting them to say something (invest) Qualification (Q) Qualification statement: Tell her something positive you like about her - chance is they will try to live up to it Hoops - they need to be somewhat invested already Do they have X personality trait - sometimes a question, most of the time statement - then follow of with medium - "oh really - why/why not?" - something that requires them to think further about it. Large qualification hoops - when fine with all the above ask them about a certain choice - ask why they'd take that choice Hoops works best on top of each other - so they don't seem that random Sexual escalation Kino - Reflects the "phase" your in - also something that builds up Comfort - small, quick touches on forearms shoulders - to prove a point - non-sensitive low pressure BR - playful touches, friend hugs Q - reward - hugs, high-fives and so on - the more compliant, the more sexual they can get hugs around neck (if you can do this, kiss is pretty much possible) When she is really compliant, physically close - sensitive places (alot of nerves, blood flowing) Talking about sex in general (low pressure) Isolating: When physically close, really compliant Takes of pressure Justify - I want to tell/show you something, let's go where it's more quiet - something along those lines Physically qualify into staying touch at neck - then triangular gazing (looking at eyes and mouth - creates sexual tension) then kiss S-close: Escalate into If staying over - setup two beds - just to take of pressure - say "nah, I'm not going to sleep with you - I don't sleep with anyone on the first night - or whatever - however I'm still going to tease you". Physical push-pull Dance floor game: Compliment opener - let her show you moves BR/Q - let her repeat your silly moves Push-pull physically - escalate - use eyes and smile - it's all about body language Move accordingly between all these principles, guidelines Beliefs: Always seeking to help others out, adding value - thinking of everybody else before yourself Always reward compliant behaviour Be someone who can lead, make decisions - but make sure everyone agrees Have ambitions - always seek to improve upon yourself If getting bad reaction - excuse - really bad: hope you have a good night/day If someone acts in a rude way to you, in response to you acting in a nice way - say you don't like it - and then continue to be friendly Don't ever feel hate/anger - instead try to solve whatever problems there might be in a friendly controlled manner Don't be jealous - shows you haven't got enough - when you have more than enough Don't lie - you're not trying to get something out of someone - better being honest to everybody else and myself Don't ever boast about yourself - keep it down - much better to over deliver Not afraid of failure - take every situation as a lesson in learning - makes you comfortable at any time, enables you to react in a rational manner Only by meeting fear, getting out there - will you gain competence - that breeds confidence Incorporate flexibility - get out in the field and learn to be socially calibrated - when alone think back on failures - what else could I have done All this is in coherence with who I want to be and what I feel I can do while staying true to myself Move forwards quickly between principles - as soon as possible Friendships and LTR - keep spiking attraction, being spontaneus - doing fun activites Read once a day to keep it fresh in mind - then get out there and do it! The rest is best learned in-field Wont ever try to prove myself - confident in who I am and seeking to become Leadership - inviting and arraging social events, doing fun activities spontaneusly - being charismatic - knowing your beliefs, staying true to what you like and who you are This is the most solid thing that also fits me - not everything can turn out as you like it - and that is accepted :::::::::::::::::::::::::: Focus completely at task on your hands, and not at how you're coming of Any comments, opinions and so on are welcome Cheers, pnote |
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| Author: | ~Finesse [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:29 pm ] |
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Dude, you're really going to hate hearing this... but the majority of all this theory, knowledge, and reading, is going to go waste! The good news is... It doesn't matter, and some parts of it are going to help you a little. Now, I know you're going to like what I have to say next, as you remind me a lot of me. - I too once tried compiling together in my mind all the little bits and bobs here and there that seemed to 'fit' me. I promise you, that if you stick to your path, trying to improve in this area of life this is going to happen... Over a while, you're going to forget most of this theory crap as you naturally start doing the things that come natural to *you*. You're going to come to a point, where you genuinely forget most of this theory, yet you'll be getting results. When you try to think about how/what you're doing, you won't really know, and it will feel like you're not doing much. You'll then come to realise the small parts of theory that actually relate to what you're doing. You'll then start having your own 'realisations' and understandings, that in a sense become your own little theories or 'ways' that you do things. the only theory from external sources that will be most useful to you, is the extremely simple stuff. A lot of the theory you're holding onto so dearly as 'this is what I will do' you will likely drop altogether. A lot of things you think/feel now about how you like to do things, will probably change a fair bit over several months. So, good luck on your journey, bro. Don't worry so much about remembering/knowing theory. In a sense, it's best to not know so much. You're carrying too much expectation and belief of what you think you like. As you grow, you'll likely have these preconceptions shattered,. Love ~Finesse |
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| Author: | Reckless Casanova [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:43 pm ] |
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Good list, but the way to go. Is learn by doing, trial and error. And last keep it clean, smooth and natural |
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| Author: | Riqueza [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:14 pm ] |
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When you go out it's a good thing to analyze back, post reports on this forum so you can see whether you lived up to your expetations. In a few months/ a year you can see your progress. Seeying that list, I fucked up a lot. Riqueza. |
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| Author: | phantomnote [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:34 pm ] |
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Thanks so much for the responses guys Much appreciated @ Finesse - wow - that's a major response. Really cool I so feel like going out there and trying stuff out - trial and error I sometimes feel like no matter what theory anybody was fed in the beginning - if any at all - that if they go out there and do approach they will learn. Most of my succes on both smaller and larger scales actually comes from just being in the moment and doing stuff - but I do occasionally find that the theory pops up or helps me structure things so that I dont completely freak out. Be sure that I will post some field reports once in a while Regards, pnote |
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| Author: | ~Finesse [ Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:01 pm ] |
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Quote: Thanks so much for the responses guys
Much appreciated @ Finesse - wow - that's a major response. Really cool I so feel like going out there and trying stuff out - trial and error I sometimes feel like no matter what theory anybody was fed in the beginning - if any at all - that if they go out there and do approach they will learn. Most of my succes on both smaller and larger scales actually comes from just being in the moment and doing stuff - but I do occasionally find that the theory pops up or helps me structure things so that I dont completely freak out. Be sure that I will post some field reports once in a while Regards, pnote Yeah, man. That's the good stuff. When a moment just happens to pop some theory into your head that would work perfectly. Is quite enjoyable. I always end up preferring the girls I havent had to 'think' to get. |
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