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Author:  dowierasta [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:40 pm ]
Post subject:  what is the point?
hey, plz take the time to read the following as i feel i raise a good point

seriously tho what is the point? studying all this crap. I really was starting to get into this but then after observing some of my friends in action (naturals) all it seemed they had over me was confidence and good social skills. Why waste time learning patterns, rehearsing lines etc when you can just get out there and do it the normal way? To be honest although alot of what pua artists do and say can be copied, theres no way im going to do it just because it works for some people, especially NLP and hypnosis.
Haha think about it? Whats better - recited routines and hypnotizing a girl, yes we are actually hypnotizing our women now! into a false relationship where your never honest or can be yourself or getting a girl the natural way and feeling proud of who you are and that it was your own personality which got you the girl.

Im really quite confused still and have no idea what to do, because although i believe what i just said i cant help but notice the immense success people have had by doing all the pua stuff in depth.

Plz someone shine a light and talk some knwoledge
Author:  Ezo [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:50 pm ]
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hey, plz take the time to read the following as i feel i raise a good point

seriously tho what is the point? studying all this crap. I really was starting to get into this but then after observing some of my friends in action (naturals) all it seemed they had over me was confidence and good social skills. Why waste time learning patterns, rehearsing lines etc when you can just get out there and do it the normal way? To be honest although alot of what pua artists do and say can be copied, theres no way im going to do it just because it works for some people, especially NLP and hypnosis.
Haha think about it? Whats better - recited routines and hypnotizing a girl, yes we are actually hypnotizing our women now! into a false relationship where your never honest or can be yourself or getting a girl the natural way and feeling proud of who you are and that it was your own personality which got you the girl.

Im really quite confused still and have no idea what to do, because although i believe what i just said i cant help but notice the immense success people have had by doing all the pua stuff in depth.

Plz someone shine a light and talk some knwoledge

That is not the point of pickup studies. The methods are just a way to build confidence. When you got that right you go back to being natural but with the benefit of being attractive...
Author:  dowierasta [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:11 pm ]
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ok im still confused though, please can you explain what its all about in detail. Id really appreciate it. Are you saying that all the pickups, lines, stoires etc are just training wheels to help people build social skills when they talk to girls because tbh wouldnt it just be easier to say, get out there and talk to girls over and over again until you develop your own style, isnt that what the original puas did? The impression im getting now is all this is pua stuff is just a kind of short cut built from years of experience. Wouldnt a guy whos had lots of personal experience putting himself out there have just as much chance picking up a girl than a pua whod memorized countless peoples routines and techniques? More importantly which do you think would be happier at the end of it all? After all i dont want to change who i am because i like me, i just want girls to be able to see that. But from what ive learned recently it seemes like to get the girls i cant expose the loving, romantic person i am to them or they will think im weak? arrghh wtf is goin on in my head, help me out dude
Author:  jurupa [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:37 pm ]
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Are you saying that all the pickups, lines, stoires etc are just training wheels to help people build social skills when they talk to girls because tbh wouldnt it just be easier to say, get out there and talk to girls over and over again until you develop your own style, isnt that what the original puas did?
Yup. You have to keep in mind that a lot of this pick up stuff is aim at girls and guys in their 20's that are hitting the bars/clubs mostly with the aim to get laid. And pick up basically shows guys why ass holes get girls left and right while other guys don't.
Author:  ~Finesse [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: what is the point?
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hey, plz take the time to read the following as i feel i raise a good point

seriously tho what is the point? studying all this crap. I really was starting to get into this but then after observing some of my friends in action (naturals) all it seemed they had over me was confidence and good social skills. Why waste time learning patterns, rehearsing lines etc when you can just get out there and do it the normal way? To be honest although alot of what pua artists do and say can be copied, theres no way im going to do it just because it works for some people, especially NLP and hypnosis.
Haha think about it? Whats better - recited routines and hypnotizing a girl, yes we are actually hypnotizing our women now! into a false relationship where your never honest or can be yourself or getting a girl the natural way and feeling proud of who you are and that it was your own personality which got you the girl.

Im really quite confused still and have no idea what to do, because although i believe what i just said i cant help but notice the immense success people have had by doing all the pua stuff in depth.

Plz someone shine a light and talk some knwoledge



Well done for noticing this. You are now on the right path!

Ignore Ezo! ...He's just on his own path and wants to be a pick up guru.



Bro, all you really need to do is this.

1) Become comfortable in social situations. Just get comfortable.

- Stop caring what people think, regardless of what ezo says ;)
- Don't be scared to make mistakes, in fact, thrive of them. Any silly blunder or mishap serves as a great little story for future interactions.

2) Become charismatic. Charming. Good conversation skills.

- Be genuienly interested in people
- Be sincere
- Bring joy to peoples' lives

3) Learn to be sexual / escalate.

- Sex is the goal. You want a girlfriend? Not matter what you hear, sexual attraction is largely most important thing. Remove sex from the equation, you're just good friends. Unless you 'fall in love' through some very gradual way, but it still comes down to sex.

- Be smooth, be suave, be subtle. Be tongue in cheek, be overt, be sexual on different levels.

4) (comes with experience) Learn to judge/adapt to situation.


As an afterthought, FORGET ABOUT VALUE!!!
1. there's always going to be someone 'higher value' than you, so therefore, you'll lose.
2. Value means different things to different people.



This may sound like I'm giving a 'method'. They are nothing but principles at most. Just very vague advice that once you adjust to, will reap you great success.



Love

~Finesse
Author:  Fin [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: what is the point?
Quote:
hey, plz take the time to read the following as i feel i raise a good point

seriously tho what is the point? studying all this crap. I really was starting to get into this but then after observing some of my friends in action (naturals) all it seemed they had over me was confidence and good social skills. Why waste time learning patterns, rehearsing lines etc when you can just get out there and do it the normal way? To be honest although alot of what pua artists do and say can be copied, theres no way im going to do it just because it works for some people, especially NLP and hypnosis.
Haha think about it? Whats better - recited routines and hypnotizing a girl, yes we are actually hypnotizing our women now! into a false relationship where your never honest or can be yourself or getting a girl the natural way and feeling proud of who you are and that it was your own personality which got you the girl.

Im really quite confused still and have no idea what to do, because although i believe what i just said i cant help but notice the immense success people have had by doing all the pua stuff in depth.

Plz someone shine a light and talk some knwoledge
I was going to make a serious break down of it all and explain it all to you.

But then I read your post properly and realised with all the mis-conceptions, half assed observations and assumptions about what game actually consists of, how most people sarge right now, how to go about learning game, and the various theories that it seems that it would be better for you to read a bit more and speak to more people before you start forming such opinions on such a broad subject and vast community.

Try asking some specefic questions, than just giving a vague paragraph that contains so much that it would take hours to give a full, complete and objective answer.
Author:  dowierasta [ Mon Jul 19, 2010 11:14 pm ]
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Fin can you plz give me a breakdown and explain, i dont expect pages of writing just some brief knowledge. Its not that im lazy and dont want to learn because i do, its just when i start questioning what im doing i find it near impossible to keep interest.

regards and thankyou to everyones input so far
Author:  Buz [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:20 am ]
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Ok i'm Ready to take some flaming for mentioning the Mystery Method but anyway.

The M3 Model from the Mystery Method is a step-by-step process from meeting to beginning of sexual relations. which i think is pretty sound.

yes, confidence and good social skills are a HUGE part of PUA however throwing a neg at the target so she don't think you're interested in her and therefore doesn't put up a shield is a great thing to learn from the teachings of PUA. And there are many more things to learn.

Such as Kino escalation, and thinking "why the fuck wasn't i doing this before?" girls are happy to be touched in a non-creepy or non-sexual way at the start, but if she is not comfortable holding your hand (which you can test for) she is going to be far less comfortable kissing you.

I do believe that the majority of woman have the same attraction switches which can be triggered by staying certain things and maybe running certain routines, doesn't mean they have to be routines some PUA master has made, hell make them up yourself, after you understand the basic principles of what needs to be in them.

Read the Mystery Method book, it's quite cheap on amazon then decide. To be honest that book (along with Mystery, Style, and whole list of other PUAs and the guys on here) have changed my life :)
Author:  overcome [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:44 am ]
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You need to read more PUA material before you make such idiotic statements. PUA is about being confident, not catering to women's needs over your own, conversation skills, and ultimately attracting females for sexual contact.

A true PUA will grasp the concept not memorize canned openers and recited lines. I suggest using situational openers and conversation topics that fit your style. Girls know when a guys hitting on them, HB's get approached all the damn time. The MM concept works, be original and be confident and you'll be slaying hot chicks in no time.

Good luck in your en devours
Author:  quickdrawyall [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:27 pm ]
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Yeah. Pickup isn't about all these methods, at least not in my opinion. My favorite PUA's are all about natural game. I don't like the idea of NLP or anything like that. I just think that pickup is about improving yourself. Not changing yourself. It's to show the best of you, not someone other than you.
Author:  Fin [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:33 pm ]
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Fin can you plz give me a breakdown and explain, i dont expect pages of writing just some brief knowledge. Its not that im lazy and dont want to learn because i do, its just when i start questioning what im doing i find it near impossible to keep interest.

regards and thankyou to everyones input so far
Once you remove these mis-conceptions, I'll happily fill you in. Until you can do that, then when we talk about game we will be on different wavelengths.

1. The mechanics in game are somehow strange and foriegn.

2. The standard way of learning game is rehearsing miles of script.

3. Game and honesty are exclsive concepts.

4. Relationships formed through game collapse.

5. Game = routines and clever little lines.

6. Game is built via sitting around reading as oppposed to going out and well..... LEARNING GAME.

7. That personalities are static.



Facts concerning Hypnotism.

1. You cannot hypnotise someone without their consent (it just wont work, they will just mentally block you out).

2. Even when in a hypnosis induced state you are still fully aware and in control of what you want to experience, feel and do.

3. What NLP does is far closer to poetry than it is to hypnosis. Despite what the NLP crowd say, NLP has very little if ANY scientific or clinical backing.

Any specefic questions?
Author:  Ezo [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:38 pm ]
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Ignore Ezo! ...He's just on his own path and wants to be a pick up guru.

WTF!!!!!!!

Thats the worst thing I have heard since the trolls left!

Liquid finesse... Just because you have no idea what true inner game really is and somehow feel scared of that the whole "Im the man" mentality might be a load of bull, it does not mean that I am necessarily wrong.

I am not on my own path. This is where you get when you have been doing this for some time. You will get there too.

Just to respond in a similar fashion...
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Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: what is the point?

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dowierasta wrote:
hey, plz take the time to read the following as i feel i raise a good point

seriously tho what is the point? studying all this crap. I really was starting to get into this but then after observing some of my friends in action (naturals) all it seemed they had over me was confidence and good social skills. Why waste time learning patterns, rehearsing lines etc when you can just get out there and do it the normal way? To be honest although alot of what pua artists do and say can be copied, theres no way im going to do it just because it works for some people, especially NLP and hypnosis.
Haha think about it? Whats better - recited routines and hypnotizing a girl, yes we are actually hypnotizing our women now! into a false relationship where your never honest or can be yourself or getting a girl the natural way and feeling proud of who you are and that it was your own personality which got you the girl.

Im really quite confused still and have no idea what to do, because although i believe what i just said i cant help but notice the immense success people have had by doing all the pua stuff in depth.

Plz someone shine a light and talk some knwoledge





Well done for noticing this. You are now on the right path!

Ignore Ezo! ...He's just on his own path and wants to be a pick up guru.



Bro, all you really need to do is this.

1) Become comfortable in social situations. Just get comfortable.

- Stop caring what people think, regardless of what ezo says
- Don't be scared to make mistakes, in fact, thrive of them. Any silly blunder or mishap serves as a great little story for future interactions.

2) Become charismatic. Charming. Good conversation skills.

- Be genuienly interested in people
- Be sincere
- Bring joy to peoples' lives

3) Learn to be sexual / escalate.

- Sex is the goal. You want a girlfriend? Not matter what you hear, sexual attraction is largely most important thing. Remove sex from the equation, you're just good friends. Unless you 'fall in love' through some very gradual way, but it still comes down to sex.

- Be smooth, be suave, be subtle. Be tongue in cheek, be overt, be sexual on different levels.

4) (comes with experience) Learn to judge/adapt to situation.


As an afterthought, FORGET ABOUT VALUE!!!
1. there's always going to be someone 'higher value' than you, so therefore, you'll lose.
2. Value means different things to different people.



This may sound like I'm giving a 'method'. They are nothing but principles at most. Just very vague advice that once you adjust to, will reap you great success.

1. Eh, yes, that is easy to say. Just get comfortable. Whow, great method man. You are giving him advice based on your experience, not on his. Like telling a fish to just start breathing air. It is just to do it, right. Not caring what people think is just being afraid of being controlled, you wont become powerful unless you stop being afraid of that. Plus caring makes you a better person too.

2. Be charismatic. No shit Sherlock. That is what the entire PU scene is about. If people could do that they wouldnt be on here. Bring joy? eeeh, yes. Its like, just make her horny. Great advice. How do you win the olympics? Run faster, just do it.

3. I actually agree here.

4. Here too.

Sounds like you are giving him a method? Not at all. It sounds like you are trying to show off. By giving him offhand advice in a way that he (at his current level) cannot use. This works for you because you have got experience, he doesnt.
Author:  TrueFlame [ Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: what is the point?
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Why waste time learning patterns, rehearsing lines etc when you can just get out there and do it the normal way? To be honest although alot of what pua artists do and say can be copied, theres no way im going to do it just because it works for some people, especially NLP and hypnosis.
The point about NLP is that you can get a girl in the right frame of mind to be seduced. You can't seduce a girl who is in a shitty mood. There are also benefits to unconsciously making her feel good around you.
Most people use these techniques in addition to the basics. It isn't appropriate for every situation, for example not much point using it in clubs with party girls, but it is another arrow in your quiver.

A Master PUA is capable of using dozens of techniques but most of the time is focusing on basic social dynamics. However, being able to pull out a more exotic play at the right moment may make the difference between getting laid and not with a HB10. That's a big difference.
Author:  Little Panda [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:23 am ]
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@Dowiriesta: The point of reading any kind of material is to get a certain guideline on how to socially improve. It's for people that don't know any better and are looking for someone/something to tell them what to do.

The best way to learn is to get out there and find your own "method" to work with, and nobody elses.
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I am not on my own path.
I disagree. We are all on a path in life - including you. There is always room for improvement and knowledge. The day you're NOT on a path - is the day you die.
Author:  Ezo [ Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:00 pm ]
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Little Panda. Yes, you are right in that sense. I meant, I am not trying to go another way just to stand out in the pickup community...
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